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Heartbreaking news report from Gaza - Dr receives bodies of her children

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Applenation · 24/05/2025 23:27

Many of you will already have read about this. Paediatric specialist Dr Alaa al-Najjar was on duty when the bodies of nine of her 10 children were received by her in the hospital, after a strike in Khan Younis hit her home.

This report just stopped me in my tracks. I don't know what to say beyond this. I cannot stop thinking about this poor woman tonight.

er children killed by a strike in Khan Younis. Guardian link

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Whatsinanamehey · 27/05/2025 17:32

@AIBUHere im absolutely not going to engage further with you. Please take a hard look at why you think it's appropriate to victim blame this mother for the deaths of her children.

AIBUHere · 27/05/2025 17:23

Ah so it was deleted!

Shame on you MN.

A VERY inconvenient truth.

AIBUHere · 27/05/2025 17:21

Whatsinanamehey · 27/05/2025 16:58

On another thread someone said along the lines of not even pro-Israeli posters would stoop so low to say such a thing about this tragedy but here we are. It seems there is no low that some will consider when remarking on the deaths of Palestinian children and the grief of their parents.

Do you think you are helping your cause by posting this sort of heinous rhetoric? You do more damage than any Pro-Palestinian can,when people see how little humanity you have. I have been on this board long enough to know these comments often come from those who have no skin in the game.

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Please explain how what I’ve posted is heinous rhetoric.

Are you saying the videos I posted are not true?

Why is showing an, albeit very inconvenient, truth regarded as a ‘stoop so low’ in your mind?

Do you not wish to discuss this then?

I would say it should be a very important discussion point for people who care about the lives of Palestinian children.

I do, don’t you?

Would you care if British Christians indoctrinated their children to want to fight and kill immigrants from other religions, and openly said they would sacrifice them, because it’s their land?

ComeAsYouAreAsAFriend · 27/05/2025 17:15

mids2019 · 27/05/2025 16:31

The still existence of Hamas and it's ideology has been conveniently airbrushed out of the current narrative as papers like the Guardian wish us to view every Palestinian as a victim which is patently not true. We have no accounts of individual contact between the IDF and Hamas which have resulted in 900 IDF deaths as part of press are not reporting a war but want to drive the genocide narrative without reflection.

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What's this post got to do with the bombing and death of Dr Alaa al-Najjar 9 children? Just a disgraceful derail attempt.

wish us to view every Palestinian as a victim which is patently not true
So which of the dead children that this thread is discussing are not victims?

ComeAsYouAreAsAFriend · 27/05/2025 17:09

@AIBUHere your post disgusts me. I hope it doesn't get reported so people can see how low people will go to try and justify what Israel is doing. Blaming a mother for the murder of her children and claiming with no evidence that Palestinians are sacrificing their own children. Disgusting racist repeating dehumanising Israeli propaganda shameful

Glamghirl · 27/05/2025 16:58

I am horrified at the amount of women on here still justifying Israel's sadistic, tortuous genocide. Sick.

Whatsinanamehey · 27/05/2025 16:58

On another thread someone said along the lines of not even pro-Israeli posters would stoop so low to say such a thing about this tragedy but here we are. It seems there is no low that some will consider when remarking on the deaths of Palestinian children and the grief of their parents.

Do you think you are helping your cause by posting this sort of heinous rhetoric? You do more damage than any Pro-Palestinian can,when people see how little humanity you have. I have been on this board long enough to know these comments often come from those who have no skin in the game.

Whatsinanamehey · 27/05/2025 16:47

4/5 of Gaza has been declared a combat/Evacuation zone. It's almost impossible for over 2 million people to fit in the the tiny one fifth that doesn't even have all the essential infrastructure needed for life let alone space.

Some of the posts on here essentially blaming the parents for the deaths of their children after Israel bombed their home and killed them are disgusting.

I can't believe what I'm reading.

AIBUHere · 27/05/2025 16:44

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mids2019 · 27/05/2025 16:31

The still existence of Hamas and it's ideology has been conveniently airbrushed out of the current narrative as papers like the Guardian wish us to view every Palestinian as a victim which is patently not true. We have no accounts of individual contact between the IDF and Hamas which have resulted in 900 IDF deaths as part of press are not reporting a war but want to drive the genocide narrative without reflection.

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Biscuitsformeandyou · 27/05/2025 14:09

RandomWordsThrownTogether · 27/05/2025 13:27

You can’t spend your life justifying barbaric acts and blaming it on “thousands of years” of oppression! Ireland had 800 years of it, catholicism banned, the Irish language banned, having land and assets taken, women and children forcibly sent off as indentured servants, millions forcibly starved with the population more than halved due to death and displacement, people had to practise religion secretly in hedges. They talked about the man made famine being good population control and justified the treatment of Irish people by saying that Irish people were more like apes because they have larger than average heads. If you talk to any group of people most will have a history where they were oppressed or discriminated against at some point in time. Today lots of Irish live in the UK, lots of Brits live in Ireland - we’ve all moved past it! My partner is English - I don’t blame him or his family for what his ancestors did in the past, that would be ridiculous. The people who committed those crimes are dead and the victims are long dead too - we have to focus on the present.

The Palestinian’s have had almost 80 years of forced displacement, murder, dismemberment, false imprisonment - their oppression is happening today, not in the past, and you say Israelis are victims because the Palestinians fight back? You don’t get peace through stealing houses and land, through murdering children - you hurt people’s families and they will fight back and the cycle of violence just continues. The way to stop the violence is to stop the theft, stop the murder, open dialogue and treat people the way you would like to be treated. An eye for an eye and the world will go blind.

Let’s try for some intellectual consistency here, because I see at least three serious problems with your analogy and framing.

First, you’re comparing the Irish experience to that of Jews/Israelis as if these are equivalent situations that can be “moved past” once enough time passes. The key difference, which is somehow always overlooked in these analogies, is that Israel’s existence is under direct threat today. This isn’t “ancient history” or a question of some group in the past being wronged by another group and then making peace centuries later. The Irish aren’t surrounded by states calling for their destruction or facing regular terror attacks. To suggest that Jews/Israelis can “move on” in the same way is to ignore the existential reality on the ground, and frankly, it’s a distortion of both histories.

Second, your use of language—“murder,” “theft,” “genocide”—demonstrates exactly the kind of moral selectivity that always creeps into these threads when Israel is involved. If you’re going to apply those terms to one side, do so universally. Otherwise, it’s just prejudice masquerading as outrage. Where is the same energy, the same rhetoric, when civilians are targeted by Palestinian actors? “Murder” and “genocide” are very specific terms with legal and moral weight. You shouldn't throw them around as doing so diminishes their meaning but if you can't help yourself than at least be consistent—or admit you’re simply applying a double standard.

Third, you seem to suggest that all Palestinian violence is justified as “fighting back,” with no caveats or limits. Why is it that when Israeli civilians are killed, it’s just “the inevitable result of oppression,” but if Israel acts in self-defence, it’s “barbaric”? Are you saying that atrocities, when committed by the “oppressed,” are exempt from moral or legal scrutiny? That’s not a path to peace or justice; it’s just tribalism and the permanent suspension of ethical standards for your preferred side. The reality is that Hamas took pleasure in killing, brutalising and raping Israelis, and did so up close, in the most heinous, sadistic ways. These were not tragic consequences of conflict or unintended civilian casualties—these were deliberate, celebrated atrocities.

To be clear: the deaths of children and the suffering of innocents is tragic and terrible. But if we want to talk about causes, responsibility, or how to actually stop the violence, it requires applying the same standards to everyone. Otherwise, we’re just perpetuating the same cycle you claim to oppose.

Gogreengoblin · 27/05/2025 13:41

Abhorrent, that poor, poor woman!
It's ironic and even more devastating that she was helping to care for other children and was dedicated in doing so.
The world is on fire!!!!!

Biscuitsformeandyou · 27/05/2025 13:35

RandomWordsThrownTogether · 27/05/2025 13:27

You can’t spend your life justifying barbaric acts and blaming it on “thousands of years” of oppression! Ireland had 800 years of it, catholicism banned, the Irish language banned, having land and assets taken, women and children forcibly sent off as indentured servants, millions forcibly starved with the population more than halved due to death and displacement, people had to practise religion secretly in hedges. They talked about the man made famine being good population control and justified the treatment of Irish people by saying that Irish people were more like apes because they have larger than average heads. If you talk to any group of people most will have a history where they were oppressed or discriminated against at some point in time. Today lots of Irish live in the UK, lots of Brits live in Ireland - we’ve all moved past it! My partner is English - I don’t blame him or his family for what his ancestors did in the past, that would be ridiculous. The people who committed those crimes are dead and the victims are long dead too - we have to focus on the present.

The Palestinian’s have had almost 80 years of forced displacement, murder, dismemberment, false imprisonment - their oppression is happening today, not in the past, and you say Israelis are victims because the Palestinians fight back? You don’t get peace through stealing houses and land, through murdering children - you hurt people’s families and they will fight back and the cycle of violence just continues. The way to stop the violence is to stop the theft, stop the murder, open dialogue and treat people the way you would like to be treated. An eye for an eye and the world will go blind.

  1. Please quote me where I justified barbaric acts on this thread?
RandomWordsThrownTogether · 27/05/2025 13:27

Biscuitsformeandyou · 24/05/2025 23:37

Yes because the lesson to take away from thousands of years of people trying to kill you and then committing a real genocide is to be pacifists and listen to the moralising descendents of those who killed your grandparents.

You can’t spend your life justifying barbaric acts and blaming it on “thousands of years” of oppression! Ireland had 800 years of it, catholicism banned, the Irish language banned, having land and assets taken, women and children forcibly sent off as indentured servants, millions forcibly starved with the population more than halved due to death and displacement, people had to practise religion secretly in hedges. They talked about the man made famine being good population control and justified the treatment of Irish people by saying that Irish people were more like apes because they have larger than average heads. If you talk to any group of people most will have a history where they were oppressed or discriminated against at some point in time. Today lots of Irish live in the UK, lots of Brits live in Ireland - we’ve all moved past it! My partner is English - I don’t blame him or his family for what his ancestors did in the past, that would be ridiculous. The people who committed those crimes are dead and the victims are long dead too - we have to focus on the present.

The Palestinian’s have had almost 80 years of forced displacement, murder, dismemberment, false imprisonment - their oppression is happening today, not in the past, and you say Israelis are victims because the Palestinians fight back? You don’t get peace through stealing houses and land, through murdering children - you hurt people’s families and they will fight back and the cycle of violence just continues. The way to stop the violence is to stop the theft, stop the murder, open dialogue and treat people the way you would like to be treated. An eye for an eye and the world will go blind.

Biscuitsformeandyou · 27/05/2025 10:17

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RabbitsRock · 27/05/2025 07:59

When I first heard the news, I really wasn’t able to comprehend the depth of grief of that woman & her husband ( don’t think he has been mentioned in this thread) or how the remaining boy will process the death of all his siblings. Plus the doctor could still lose ber husband & son as they are critically injured. Beyond heart breaking 💔

Biscuitsformeandyou · 27/05/2025 07:44

mids2019 · 27/05/2025 07:20

The blitz on London was never described as genocide even by those who suffered. By definition air campaigns can never be truly accurate and civilians tragically lose their lives. This does not been people have been murdered as there was no deliberate attempt to kill these specific people. That is why we have to be so careful when using the word genocide as the immediate public connotation is with the Holocaust which indeed was a genocide.

Yes, it is about intent. Honestly it is as if some of these posters have only just realised that people, even innocent people, die in war.

Biscuitsformeandyou · 27/05/2025 07:43

TooBigForMyBoots · 27/05/2025 01:23

What would you call "dying by having a bomb dropped on your house" if not murder @Biscuitsformeandyou?

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A war

CaptBirdsEar · 27/05/2025 07:29

It will end when Hamas are no more.

mids2019 · 27/05/2025 07:20

The blitz on London was never described as genocide even by those who suffered. By definition air campaigns can never be truly accurate and civilians tragically lose their lives. This does not been people have been murdered as there was no deliberate attempt to kill these specific people. That is why we have to be so careful when using the word genocide as the immediate public connotation is with the Holocaust which indeed was a genocide.

HerNeighbourTotoro · 27/05/2025 06:41

Biscuitsformeandyou · 24/05/2025 23:39

Yes because prior to October 7th that was what Israel was doing... The ruling entity of Gaza started the war. It will end when Israel is forced to end it by the USA or Hamas disarms, whatever comes first.

Killing of Palestinian children was happeniing way before October 7th. It just anyone who was talking about it was being cancelled by the media and evrryone was scared.

TooBigForMyBoots · 27/05/2025 01:23

What would you call "dying by having a bomb dropped on your house" if not murder @Biscuitsformeandyou?

Biscuitsformeandyou · 26/05/2025 23:35

TooBigForMyBoots · 26/05/2025 22:00

So what justification do the IDF and Israeli government give for murdering them?

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You have no evidence that they were murdered.

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