Heartbreaking news report from Gaza - Dr receives bodies of her children

On the hospitals, bombing hospitals is a war crime. Full stop.

I also saw an interview with an Israeli minister recently (British interviewer) where the minister was questioned over the rationale (that Hamas was using an underground bunker beneath a hospital) for bombing such hospital - turns out such a bunker did not exist.

On the bombing houses. Bombing houses is a war crime. Full stop.

However, let's pause for a moment to remember that Israel has "requested" that people leave their houses and they're now living in tents. Israel has bombed these tents.

I just heard on news the figure is gone up to 30 people killed in Israeli attack near the aid distribution centre.

Oh wait, my bad. It wasn't 20, it was at least 26. Details:

At least 26 people have been killed, and scores have been injured, near a US-backed aid distribution site near Gaza's southern city of Rafah, according to medics and residents.

A local Palestinian journalist told the BBC that thousands of Palestinians had gathered near a humanitarian aid distribution centre when Israeli tanks approached and opened fire on the crowd.

But yeah 'war is horrible, oh well' and October 7th justifies anything. Never mind that October 7th itself was the result of many decades of mistreatment and injustice. Keep acting like it came out of nowhere and therefore any reaction is justified.

Fresh headline this morning: Israel has killed 20 Palestinians who were queuing for food aid. Gunned them down.

This casual targeting of civilians constitutes a war crime.

There would be no shrugged shoulders and 'war is horrible, oh well' if Israelis were being routinely slaughtered like this.

@mids2019

Do you believe the actions of October 7th justify every aspect of the current military offensive and aid blockage?

Sorry that was bastard as a typo. Apologies for the course language but if anyone has a better term then please use it.

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/12/28/world/middleeast/oct-7-attacks-hamas-israel-sexual-violence.html

If you can please read this and maybe understand that the Israel and the IDF want to send everyone of the b%states that committed these crimes to another (hopefully hotter) world. There is concern about civilian death in Gaza but no one has said how the perpetrators of October 7th can be brought to justice when they systematically hide in populated houses and hospitals?

It is obvious a Hamas tactic (possibly their only one given their massive military disadvabtage) to take insurgency action and quickly move into houses populated by civilians. I suppose they know even if they did it will not be vain as the civilians liked by the cowards actions add to Hamas propaganda war effort.

Can someone tell me therefore how Israel should persecute this war with minimal civilian casualties where human shields is a primary tactic of the enemy. Should the IDF ask nicely that they leave their houses as women could be hurt?

I think if you once again reflect on October 7th and the tactics of Hamas another perspective arises from the genocide narrative so many are desperate to push.

On October the 7th Hamas were really considerate in determining legitimate military targets 🙅

War is a horrible thing

www.hadassahmagazine.org/2024/06/28/the-tragic-fate-of-israels-female-observer-soldiers/

This is a war and I guess soldiers can't just return to home for tea and expect to be suddenly not a target especially as there is such blurring between military and civilians

Don't all Israelis have military training and serve in the army at some point? By your logic all Israeli adults are legitimate targets, and if they're still targets when they're 'home for tea' then their families are legitimate targets too.

Incidentally - I'm disgusted by the pro Israeli propagandists on this thread. That genocide is Israel's aim is beyond doubt. They clearly see no other solution than to drive Arabs out of the Gaza Strip.

I just read her husband has died. The poor woman. How can she survive all this?

I also saw a video on Instagram today of a woman carrying a baby who was shot. She is walking along and next thing, shot, collapses. Unfortunately I can't link without doxing myself as I explained already but it should be quite possible to be found with a simple search. I know this has been questioned so I will try my best to alert these to those interested.

Another thing I heard today in an interview is that all civilian hostages have been returned to Israel by Hamas. So the hostages that are remaining are soldiers.

Powerful speech on the deaths of Palestinian children by Ms Rachel! Such an inspirational person and such a great role model for our kids!
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https://www.instagram.com/reel/DKRuWn9upkx/?igsh=MW55ZXZibDRpeHRwcw==

Unicef report that there are now more than 50,000 children dead and injured in Gaza! Since the end of the ceasefire in March, a further 1,309 children have been killed and 3,738 injured!

Edouard Beigbeder, UNICEF Regional Director for the Middle East and North Africa said:

“These children – lives that should never be reduced to numbers – are now part of a long, harrowing list of unimaginable horrors: the grave violations against children, the blockade of aid, the starvation, the constant forced displacement, and the destruction of hospitals, water systems, schools, and homes. In essence, the destruction of life itself in the Gaza Strip.

Since the end of the ceasefire on March 18, 1,309 children have reportedly been killed and 3,738 injured. In total, more than 50,000 children have reportedly been killed or injured since October 2023. How many more dead girls and boys will it take? What level of horror must be livestreamed before the international community fully steps up, uses its influence, and takes bold, decisive action to force the end of this ruthless killing of children?”

https://www.unicefusa.org/press/unimaginable-horrors-more-50000-children-reportedly-killed-or-injured-gaza-strip

The economist are reporting that the death toll
is likely much higher than reported figures. They have explained how the death toll only includes people who have been identified and as thousands have not been recovered from the rubble they are not included in the official data. They estimate that the death toll is likely much higher than reported and could be as high as between 78,000 and 112,000. This accounts for approximately 1 in 20 of Gaza’s pre war inhabitants dead. They also explain the death toll only includes people killed by bombs and bullets, it does not include people who have died from malnutrition or from health conditions caused by the blockade.

https://www.economist.com/interactive/middle-east-and-africa/2025/05/08/how-many-people-have-died-in-gaza

I think the main point was actually the war crimes.

I made a mistake and thought you were referring to the ICJ rather than ICC

So it's not factually wrong. Thank you. Court case or not the ICC believes he has committed crimes.

I wonder how this poor woman is holding up..

It's not wrong. It's just relying on the fact that obviously there hasn't been a court case yet.
Presumably it would be 'factually wrong' to refer to any of the corruption charges he's facing in Israeli courts too.

Apologies for the double post; I forgot the quote.

Just wondering, how is this wrong? There is an warrant for war crimes for Netanyahu. Here it is and it lists the crimes:
https://www.icc-cpi.int/defendant/netanyahu

Double post

And this is the attitude that allows for systemic killing of children to become acceptable.

@Biscuitsformeandyou
It is one thing if you are going after senior leadership, where you might want to argue it’s a proportionate to also blow up and kill not only their and but also surrounding families. It’s quite another - which the Israeli informants have said- to use this same argument of proportionately towards their foot soldiers. And to do it because it’s cheaper?

And why wait till they return home?

This is a war and I guess soldiers can't just return to home for tea and expect to be suddenly not a target especially as there is such blurring between military and civilians. Children are being used as human shields and I guess Israel has called Hamas bluff with this. Unless a combatant is in a defined position on a battlefield e.g. in a trench it must be extremely difficult to target them but that does not mean they can't be engaged.

Yes, I can see that could happen. About twenty five years ago, Israel found out about a meeting of the Hamas leadership. The intelligence services verified their presence in this apartment where there were also children and other innocent civilians. After some debate, they decide to use a small targeted bomb to avoid / minimise civilian casualties. The bomb was ineffective and the leadership survived.

After October 7th, people remembered this and I understand that these types of protocols have been significantly loosened. And I can see how that would result in the deaths of children, as you say.

Factually delusional.

This thread has wandered a bit. On the subject of social media manipulation though I read this on another thread... BBC Verify has seen at least two Facebook profiles purporting to be official GHF accounts, sharing inaccurate information about the status of the aid distribution centres.
One page with more than 4,000 followers posted inaccurate information, sometimes alongside AI-generated images, that aid had been suspended or that looting at GHF centres had been rampant.
A GHF spokesman confirmed to BBC Verify that both these Facebook accounts were fake. He also said that the foundation had launched an official Facebook channel.

I have my own opinions on who it best serves to discredit GHF. But whoever they are their first priority is not to ease the distribution of aid to Gazans.

I don't believe people are following scripts unless there's serious evidence of that. But for example the German Iranian woman's video a PP posted (sorry, I can't recall her name) - if you look through her other videos, she is also claiming that the attack on the Christmas market in Magdeburg was actually committed by a secret radical Muslim using 'taqiyya' to pretend to be an atheist. So clearly there's a script being followed there somewhere, consciously or not, which is then amplified by other, and that goes for both sides of the conflict IMO.

What I do find disturbing is the metaphorical hands over the eyes and ears about the testimony of multiple medical personnel. Because apparently that is such a departure from the story as they're telling it that it must be ignored, denied, obfuscated.