Heartbreaking news report from Gaza - Dr receives bodies of her children

You do know when they say that - they are also suggesting you can’t trust what Israeli government and IDF are saying about what is happening in Gaza…

Exactly I know a journalist who was kidnapped and almost killed in two separate war zones. War correspondents make a decision, they put their lives at risk to ensure people know what is happening. Denying press access says you have something to hide!

No I apologise if my post was misleading. My point is definitely not that the Guardian or Independent are Hamas run.

My point is that they get their information from Hamas run media and don't acknowledge this but report what they are being told as if it is factual and verifiable.

Only the BBC has now started to make readers aware of this point by putting the above statement with every update: As a reminder: Israel doesn't allow independent access to the territory, making it difficult to verify facts on the ground

News from Hamas-run authorities like The Guardian and The Independent??? Honestly guys these excuses are getting more and more ridiculous.

How would you feel if after being starved for months your family were then shot by drones, snipers and tanks as they queued for food. Have some respect for the murder victims and stop victim blaming. Honestly we should all take a moment to think of the victims of this atrocity. As someone pointed out the doctor who has already lost ten children at the hands if the IDF has now lost her husband and Gaza has lost yet another doctor when they are so desperately needed. I mentioned it to my partner earlier in the car and he got tearful - he said while he knows we can’t let war crimes be hidden by the perpetrators the thoughts of losing your children and your partner is too much to bear - I completely agree, I can’t imagine what that poor woman is going through and the families of these latest victims. It is honestly too much for a person to take!

“The International Committee of the Red Cross said its field hospital in Rafah received a “mass casualty influx” of 179 people and that 21 patients were declared dead upon arrival. “All patients said they had been trying to reach an aid distribution site,” it added, describing it as “the highest number of weapon-wounded in a single incident since the establishment of the field hospital over a year ago”.”
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/jun/01/palestinians-gunned-down-while-trying-to-reach-food-aid-site-in-gaza-hospital-says

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/gaza-israel-aid-starvation-rafah-death-b2761433.html

They cope in every other war zone and want to be there. That's the excuse Israel use for not allowing access. What are they trying to hide?

I agree they cannot verify any facts so it was worrying the way UK media was just repeating stuff Hamas media told them this morning.

A bit belatedly, the BBC have started to acknowledge this and are now stating in every update on this shooting incident that As a reminder: Israel doesn't allow independent access to the territory, making it difficult to verify facts on the ground

I think the video is inside the base and the accusations is that it happened outside the base. A bit of a stretch I would suggest to say that the Palestinians are grateful for aid. It has been devastating for innocent Palestinians.

I saw that..

I keep thinking about that poor woman. Please God Adam will survive that she has some reason to keep going.

I genuinely don't know how you would go on.

Sure, independent press would be good. Just wouldn't be safe.

Plus I never accused or declared the UK papers of being Hamas supporting. I don't believe that they intentionally support a terrorist organisation. But I do think that they blindly repeat everything they are told by the Hamas run media organisation.

Further proof of that was the way they initially reported the incident this morning. Now the GHF and IDF have issued their statements denying any involvement the UK media are reporting that too which at least gives a more balanced account. In reality, we don't know who was behind the incident.

There was CCTV footage released of the supposed shooting which showed it was a lie. And there were many videos showing Gazans grateful the for US/ Israeli aid distributed through channels Hamas don't have access to...they were chanting against Hamas ...why don't people support them? You know Hamas is posting on their media today that they've killed 11 "collaborators" ie their own people who don't want war. The war won't end without Hamas completely defeated. They know that and are pushing their propaganda to the fullest now ...and it seems their strategy is working!☹️

Yes nonsense that we've to rely on Israeli and Hamas propaganda. Independent press needs access so we can all see and trust the reports on what is happening

There was no tank. That is Hamas fiction.

What hospital are you refering to i.e. Israel bombed but nothing there?

They cannot verify any facts. That is the reality. Witnesses are making stuff up about tanks, medics are reporting people having been shot (not blown up by tanks?), there is no video footage. So they are just repeating what Hamas said. Why not use the lower number provided by the Palestinian Red Crescent rather than the higher number provided by Hamas? Just nonsense.

They are reporting on the facts that they can verify, using witness statements, medical personnel, IDF, video footage. They have provided as much information as they can and have suggested evidence so far is inconclusive. They do not get their evidence from Hamas and to suggest it is ignorant and pretty scary, because it means you are happy to ignore anything that comes out of Gaza as Hamas propaganda. Pretty convenient space to be in because it means you will only believe what the IDF report. Which is I exactly what the Israeli government want and why they have banned any independent observers and press.

The UK papers were just repeating stuff said by the Hamas run authorities first thing this morning.

Some of them like the BBC are now reporting the incident differently and in a more balanced way. Which is only appropriate seeing as they don't actually know what exactly happened and neither does The Guardian or Sky News etc.

From the BBC updated report: The Israel Defense Forces said initial findings show its forces "did not fire at civilians while they were near or within" the aid centre.

Earlier, the Israel and US backed Gaza Humanitarian Foundation issued a strong statement of denial, saying the reports are false and fabricated, and asserted that its distribution of aid had gone ahead without incident.

An Israeli soldier in Rafah contacted the BBC to support this claim, saying that Israeli soldiers did fire near the crowd but not at them and that no one was hit.

Whatever did happen, it is clear that at least one medical facility, the Nasser hospital, received a large number of casualties, with a doctor telling the BBC that many had bullet wounds.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/c628n68zpj6t

Like the woman shot walking holding her baby two days ago?
And nothing is strawman argument..tongue in cheek yes, bold yes.
Claiming that "if it happened, it was probably Hamas" is a complete strawman argument when people were fired from a tank on the Israeli "supported" side. Hamas can wander about willy nilly on tanks??
Claiming "women can be soldiers" is a strawman argument. The huge onus is on Israel to prove such targeted killing is on soldiers. It fails to do this. That's a war crime.
Claiming "you can say one hospital, you just don't know" is a strawman argument because I do know that in at least one hospital bombed by Israel the huge Hamas bunker that was its rationale was not there. When bombing hospitals the huge onus is on Israel to categorically provide irrefutable evidence that it is being used as a military base. It fails to do this to the level required. That's a war crime.

And where do you think those newspapers are getting their information from? It starts with a H and ends with a S

Nope. I’m reading the UK papers.

That you have declared UK papers as Hamas supporting or simply repeating Hamas propaganda doesn’t surprise me in the slightest.

Just seen on the ch4 news the father in this family has died too.

There are no words.

Complete strawman argument.

And by the way, women can be soldiers.

I know people say AI will herald a new era, a new revolutionary period, but I think we're missing a trick here.
Surely Hamas could rival AI for its sheer ability to override the laws of time and physics: shape shift (how its soldiers can metamorphise into civilians like women and children), its ability to build and then make three storey bunkers completely disappear with no evidence of it ever existing, have soldier members with sidelines in demanding careers like medicine (or maybe it's the other way round), build hidden infrastructure that remains hidden through carpet bombing, build functioning tanks and then like Star Trek manage to get that tank and it's occupants through various Israeli checkpoints to shoot on people awaiting aid.
Because honestly I don't see how they managed otherwise, if we're expected to believe this.

When Israel bombed the grounds of the European hospital and killed the Hamas leader, Sky News ran an article saying that there was nothing there other than drainage pipes or something. You can say at least one hospital etc but you don't actually know.

Why because Hamas hasn't agreed? The Palestinian Red Crescent said that about 22 ppl were killed but Hamas upped the numbers and this was what was reported. Stop being so obviously biased.

Just as true for Hamas -run media and health ministries.