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mids2019 · 22/05/2025 06:57

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cy9vr10n732t

Not really surprised but shows the level of New hatred that IS spreading in the US. Scary times and hope nothing like that happens here.

Washington DC shooting: Two Israeli embassy staff killed in attack near Jewish museum

The man and woman were shot while leaving an event focused on helping Gazans at the Capital Jewish Museum.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cy9vr10n732t

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ScarlettOYara · 24/05/2025 15:47

@Whatsinanamehey why are you asking me? I have no idea.
I'm asking you if you think that the Israelis are just targeting babies? Or is the bombing more like you get in other wars?

Whatsinanamehey · 24/05/2025 15:42

ScarlettOYara · 24/05/2025 15:39

I'm not sure how the Israelis knew there were babies in the house?
Don't get me wrong, this has gone on far too long and there is too much bloodshed, but all this targeting babies accusation - what's the evidence?

Why did they bomb her house then? That's even worst if they didn't know and just go around bombing houses not knowing who is inside.

These were three of her innocent young children murdered today.

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ScarlettOYara · 24/05/2025 15:39

I'm not sure how the Israelis knew there were babies in the house?
Don't get me wrong, this has gone on far too long and there is too much bloodshed, but all this targeting babies accusation - what's the evidence?

Whatsinanamehey · 24/05/2025 15:36

I really disagree and just because it's what some people think doesn't mean they are correct. They bombed the house of doctor this morning killing her nine children. Their burnt charred bodies were brought to the hospital where she was treating other patients. This was a direct attack, why are some of you so unwilling to see that children are being targeted? Netanyahu and their government has stated their aims to cleanse and conquer Gaza.

Odras · 24/05/2025 15:20

@SharonEllis i do think the Israeli administration (not Jews - not even Isreali citizens) are trying to kill children. I think there is enough evidence to say that they have targeted civilians of all ages. Both directly via air strikes and guns and indirectly via starvation and disease. They are aiming to reduce the whole population and make life so intolerable for the survivors that they will agree to leave. Again by making life intolerable, they will kill people indirectly.

And an awful lot of people are getting worried about this hence the condemnation now from Israeli allies. It is not anti semitism

SharonEllis · 24/05/2025 15:14

Twiglets1 · 24/05/2025 15:06

It’s reasonable to say that Israel was withholding aid because they were.

However, it’s not reasonable to say they were “using air strikes to kill children” because that makes it sound like the aim of the air strikes was to kill children when it wasn’t. Israel is at war with Hamas so the aim of the air strikes is to kill as many Hamas fighters as possible but very sadly, many children are getting killed in the war too.

And this is precisely where the modern blood libel comes into play. Twisting the purpose of the military action against Hamas, into an active desire to kill children (or specifically babies) taps into the trope of Jews as baby killers. I really cant understand why this is so hard to see.

None so blind as those that will not see, as they say.

ScarlettOYara · 24/05/2025 15:09

Twiglets1 · 24/05/2025 15:08

I know - even on a website particularly aimed at parents & grandparents it is often assumed that to be pro Israel is to be pro the children of Gaza being starved or killed.

I agree, it's very frustrating.

ScarlettOYara · 24/05/2025 15:09

Twiglets1 · 24/05/2025 15:06

It’s reasonable to say that Israel was withholding aid because they were.

However, it’s not reasonable to say they were “using air strikes to kill children” because that makes it sound like the aim of the air strikes was to kill children when it wasn’t. Israel is at war with Hamas so the aim of the air strikes is to kill as many Hamas fighters as possible but very sadly, many children are getting killed in the war too.

That's absolutely true.

Twiglets1 · 24/05/2025 15:08

SharonEllis · 24/05/2025 15:01

Yet its repeated so often.

I know - even on a website particularly aimed at parents & grandparents it is often assumed that to be pro Israel is to be pro the children of Gaza being starved or killed.

Twiglets1 · 24/05/2025 15:06

Martymcfly24 · 24/05/2025 10:13

Fair enough.

I'll do my own research.

I'll investigate into why thinking it's a bad thing Israel withholding aid to a starving population and using airstrikes to kill children is "tapping into" an antisemitic trope of Jewish people taking the blood of babies for rituals.

It’s reasonable to say that Israel was withholding aid because they were.

However, it’s not reasonable to say they were “using air strikes to kill children” because that makes it sound like the aim of the air strikes was to kill children when it wasn’t. Israel is at war with Hamas so the aim of the air strikes is to kill as many Hamas fighters as possible but very sadly, many children are getting killed in the war too.

SharonEllis · 24/05/2025 15:01

Twiglets1 · 24/05/2025 14:57

You have no justification for saying people on here don’t care about children being malnourished or starving.

Not one person has said that or thought that, to my knowledge.

Yet its repeated so often.

Twiglets1 · 24/05/2025 14:57

ssd · 24/05/2025 11:21

What you expect is neither here nor there.

I expect people to have a basic level of humanity and care when children are starving in their thousands and the country next to them is deliberately depriving them of food.

But I cant expect everyone to care on here and quite a few don't

You have no justification for saying people on here don’t care about children being malnourished or starving.

Not one person has said that or thought that, to my knowledge.

QueenOfHiraeth · 24/05/2025 11:59

mouthpipette · 23/05/2025 23:40

Imagine two headlines:
"Young couple murdered by radicalised pro-Palestine extremist" or
"Two Israeli embassy staff murdered by radicalised pro-Palestine extremist"
The first sounds more personal and shocking, the second more political. I question if this is coincidence or evidence of media bias @QueenOfHiraeth

The second one is far better. It contains more relevant information. Any decent editor would chose the second.

I have no knowledge or experience of being an editor but, to my mind, the second headline, while containing more factual information, leads the reader to an assumption that their employment at the Israeli embassy was a factor in their killing where it was not and they were murdered solely because of being at an event at the Jewish Museum

CheshireCat1 · 24/05/2025 11:49

Two more innocent, young lives lost, perhaps we should all take a step back, in quiet reflection and say a prayer for the young couple, their families and all other innocents effected these in current conflicts. May they all rest in peace.

ssd · 24/05/2025 11:21

SharonEllis · 24/05/2025 10:13

This is very disingenuous. Noone is shutting down discussion. We are asking for discussion that is fact based and that is not rooted in antisemitic tropes. It would in fact be an opening up of discussion without the need to be derailed by going off on tangents. In a group of people who claim to care about the middle east I would expect to be able to refer to blood libel, in the knowledge that people have that level of basic knowledge.

What you expect is neither here nor there.

I expect people to have a basic level of humanity and care when children are starving in their thousands and the country next to them is deliberately depriving them of food.

But I cant expect everyone to care on here and quite a few don't

quantumbutterfly · 24/05/2025 11:20

ScarlettOYara · 24/05/2025 10:54

Oh my god, I'm glad I'm not targeted because of conflict where my family originated.

If it's trending on social media watch your step.
OTOH some people will find something else to target you for, faith, politics, skin colour...if you tick several of those boxes you may need to become a bigger bastard than your enemy, until your enemy finds some like-minded mates, then you'll have to find some like-minded mates.........you can extrapolate how this ends.

SharonEllis · 24/05/2025 11:10

quantumbutterfly · 24/05/2025 11:09

About the arseholes...or the implosions?

Both! But I dont want to think about it too much as neither are pleasant images 😃

quantumbutterfly · 24/05/2025 11:09

About the arseholes...or the implosions?

SharonEllis · 24/05/2025 10:59

quantumbutterfly · 24/05/2025 10:52

Yeah sorry, reminds me of the poster who takes her kids on demos and talks to pro-pal holocaust survivors to show them not all Israelis are evil.
We all have blind spots, stream of consciousness exposes them.
I loved it when Tim Minchin said 'opinions are like arseholes, everyone has them, but unlike arseholes you should regularly examine yours.' that will make some people familiar with my posts implode I'm sure.

Too right.

ScarlettOYara · 24/05/2025 10:54

Oh my god, I'm glad I'm not targeted because of conflict where my family originated.

quantumbutterfly · 24/05/2025 10:52

SharonEllis · 24/05/2025 10:45

Can you hear yourself? Only an antisemite turns against Jewish people be ause of the actions of the Israeli government.

Yeah sorry, reminds me of the poster who takes her kids on demos and talks to pro-pal holocaust survivors to show them not all Israelis are evil.
We all have blind spots, stream of consciousness exposes them.
I loved it when Tim Minchin said 'opinions are like arseholes, everyone has them, but unlike arseholes you should regularly examine yours.' that will make some people familiar with my posts implode I'm sure.

SharonEllis · 24/05/2025 10:45

andtheworldrollson · 24/05/2025 10:24

i have kept an eye on the Isreal Palestine problem since my school days and never come across blood libel. Admittedly I was more concerned about people being killed in the here and now.

trying to shut people up talking about children being killed is horrific - the Israeli government actions are judged by todays standards and found wrong and they can’t justify that because of what someone else said or did centuries ago.

its the killing today that is turning people against Jews today - not the long forgotten tales

Fhat the actions of the Israeli government are stirring antisemitism I do agree , and it’s rising as the horror and disgust grows

but to try and dismiss and hide and obscure the actions of the government because of that , rather than challenge the government actions is just wrong

Can you hear yourself? Only an antisemite turns against Jewish people be ause of the actions of the Israeli government.

quantumbutterfly · 24/05/2025 10:44

There's so much vitriol online, as @mids2019 says, his trial could expose what influenced this man.
I've seen a lot of exaggerated accusations whilst minimising any actions from hamas. That's troubling and speaks to the influences on them.
Mobbing Yuval Raphael at Eurovision I will put in the same frame as screaming at autistic kids having Macdonald's, and 'Lord of the Flies'. If I see a mob baying for blood my first urge is not to join it.
There's a joke that 50 % of people are below average intellect, we're seeing standard deviation in action when some people join a mob and others manipulate it.
My ideal - hostages return, 2 states peacefully co-existing under moderate leadership, hamas/hezbollah/houthis/Iranian theocracy sidelined & diminished. It's too much of a mouthful to shout & not exciting or soundbitey enough for a placard.

ScarlettOYara · 24/05/2025 10:41

"it is the killing today that is turning people against Jews today"
Can't you see @andtheworldrollson that's problematic?
Why should Jews in Leeds or New York or wherever be blamed for something beyond their control, by another nation for which they have no responsibility?.

Martymcfly24 · 24/05/2025 10:37

HellsBalls · 24/05/2025 10:19

Thank you for that . That's actually the website I looked at earlier. It's a very interesting read and shows the horror and danger of antisemitism over the centuries.

I have read it all now but I still can't see the link as it refers explicitly to those accusations of ritual sacrifices only.

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