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Gary Lineker - he really had to go and a warning t against virtue signalling

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mids2019 · 19/05/2025 05:21

Maybe Gary Lineker's departure acts as a warning for this not acquainted with history to go around randomly reposting pro Palestinian links though I suspect he is not the only one. In a way it is a sad demise to a career but an absolutely necessary one and a timely warning that a proportion of P Palestinian supporters are anti semites.

for to say I didn't like the Gaurdian 's take that the BBC were looking to sack Gary anyway and he just have them an excuse.

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Odras · 30/05/2025 12:28

Slightyamusedandsilly · 30/05/2025 11:28

You know you label it anti Semitism because that is the get out card for the atrocities being unleashed by Israel.

Basically, any comment on what they are doing is excused through that label. Very convenient to be able to hang that label on it.

Is there ANYTHING you wouldn't tolerate by them? What about when Palestine is completely gone? When the Palestinians are all displaced or dead?

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Have you read @HellsBalls comment? Apparently their entire circle of friends and family will say they brought it on themselves

OpheliaWasntMad · 30/05/2025 11:47

HellsBalls · 29/05/2025 22:49

I haven’t spoken to anyone in real life who supports the Gazans. Most of them say they brought it on themselves, if the topic even comes up.

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I don’t believe this.

Twiglets1 · 30/05/2025 11:40

Prettyroses · 30/05/2025 08:47

I don't believe this, even the most rigourous Israel supporters feel obliged to say they feel for the innocents, even if it is just lip service.

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Why would you even mention lip service?

I support Israel but my disgust lies with Hamas & their supporters not innocent Palestinian people who didn’t choose to get dragged into a war.

Slightyamusedandsilly · 30/05/2025 11:28

EasyTouch · 30/05/2025 10:24

That just shows how culturally reflexive anti Semitism is.
Is that good, then?
Funnily enough, it also shows the subconcious anti Blackness of anti Semites.
The Rwandan and the Sudanese objective genocides cannot come to their minds, one happening in recent living memory and another been happening for decades, still going on and has led to a Sudanese diaspora as far flung as Australia, Sweden, the US, UK, Canada and Europe.

You may need to think about the underthinking that your comment reveals.
It illuminates, as opposed to justifies.........

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You know you label it anti Semitism because that is the get out card for the atrocities being unleashed by Israel.

Basically, any comment on what they are doing is excused through that label. Very convenient to be able to hang that label on it.

Is there ANYTHING you wouldn't tolerate by them? What about when Palestine is completely gone? When the Palestinians are all displaced or dead?

izthiszeend · 30/05/2025 11:14

It's not antisemitism.
Honestly - believe in whatever you want, even in flat earth, one god or many. Dress as you wish (just standard rules of not being offensive). Eat whatever food you like - who cares?!

Burning, maiming, killing children, targeting food suplies, hospitals, starving populations - that's what people oppose wholeheartedly! [Not just children ofc, but that used to be a universal value iyswim].
And if you ever dare accuse people of antisemitism when they voice that - than you are defending these actions as 'Jewish' - i.e. you are being obnoxiosly antisemitic. Please stop!

EasyTouch · 30/05/2025 10:24

Slightyamusedandsilly · 29/05/2025 21:20

I'm aware that is the pro-Israel party line. It's what the average person on the street thinks though. If it's on their radar.

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That just shows how culturally reflexive anti Semitism is.
Is that good, then?
Funnily enough, it also shows the subconcious anti Blackness of anti Semites.
The Rwandan and the Sudanese objective genocides cannot come to their minds, one happening in recent living memory and another been happening for decades, still going on and has led to a Sudanese diaspora as far flung as Australia, Sweden, the US, UK, Canada and Europe.

You may need to think about the underthinking that your comment reveals.
It illuminates, as opposed to justifies.........

Prettyroses · 30/05/2025 08:47

HellsBalls · 29/05/2025 22:49

I haven’t spoken to anyone in real life who supports the Gazans. Most of them say they brought it on themselves, if the topic even comes up.

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I don't believe this, even the most rigourous Israel supporters feel obliged to say they feel for the innocents, even if it is just lip service.

Slightyamusedandsilly · 30/05/2025 06:57

TomeTome · 30/05/2025 06:43

That’s extraordinary. What part of tge world are you living in and how wide is your circle?

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Exactly! The assumption that it's due to a lack of internationalism being shown by some posters is reductive.

I've lived in several countries, not limited to Europe, and have friends of lots of different nationalities. The support for Gaza is universal among them. Even in the US. Don't be fooled by official government official standpoints.

ChocolateGanache · 30/05/2025 06:48

HellsBalls · 29/05/2025 22:49

I haven’t spoken to anyone in real life who supports the Gazans. Most of them say they brought it on themselves, if the topic even comes up.

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Do you live in Israel?

ChocolateGanache · 30/05/2025 06:47

Blueflowerpower · 19/05/2025 06:12

A million times this! History will not look kindly upon those of you have supported Israel's actions. If there is any justice in this world Netanyahu and co will end up on trial for crimes against humanity. Hamas leaders too.

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💯 agree.

TomeTome · 30/05/2025 06:43

HellsBalls · 29/05/2025 22:49

I haven’t spoken to anyone in real life who supports the Gazans. Most of them say they brought it on themselves, if the topic even comes up.

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That’s extraordinary. What part of tge world are you living in and how wide is your circle?

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mids2019 · 30/05/2025 06:39

So Israel sets up food stations to feed thousands of Palestinians that they are trying to starve? There GHF stations have been set up that aims to prevent Hamas essentially stealing the aid. Despite the strange calls that feeding Palestianians is 'unethical' as it does not suit their political bias the food points seem to be bedding in.

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Sleeplessinmetal · 30/05/2025 05:29

HellsBalls · 29/05/2025 22:49

I haven’t spoken to anyone in real life who supports the Gazans. Most of them say they brought it on themselves, if the topic even comes up.

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I suppose we all live in our bubbles - I'm glad I don't live in a bubble that believes Gazans brought on starvation and genocide on themselves, that's quite shocking but I really don't believe this attitude is widespread - I can't believe that - it's much too depressing.

Slightyamusedandsilly · 29/05/2025 23:15

HellsBalls · 29/05/2025 22:49

I haven’t spoken to anyone in real life who supports the Gazans. Most of them say they brought it on themselves, if the topic even comes up.

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I don't believe you.

HellsBalls · 29/05/2025 22:49

Slightyamusedandsilly · 29/05/2025 21:50

I've not spoken to a person IRL who doesn't support the Palestinian cause. There was a man ranting at great length at a librarian last week, when I was in the library. She did her best to distract him and then left the desk and hid in the office until he'd gone.

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I haven’t spoken to anyone in real life who supports the Gazans. Most of them say they brought it on themselves, if the topic even comes up.

Slightyamusedandsilly · 29/05/2025 21:50

ScribblingPixie · 29/05/2025 21:45

No way.

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I've not spoken to a person IRL who doesn't support the Palestinian cause. There was a man ranting at great length at a librarian last week, when I was in the library. She did her best to distract him and then left the desk and hid in the office until he'd gone.

ScribblingPixie · 29/05/2025 21:45

Slightyamusedandsilly · 29/05/2025 21:20

I'm aware that is the pro-Israel party line. It's what the average person on the street thinks though. If it's on their radar.

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No way.

JaneJeffer · 29/05/2025 21:34

I think he made a terrible mistake
yes we all make mistakes, some more serious than others

Gary Lineker - he really had to go and a warning t against virtue signalling
Gary Lineker - he really had to go and a warning t against virtue signalling
Gary Lineker - he really had to go and a warning t against virtue signalling
Slightyamusedandsilly · 29/05/2025 21:20

ScribblingPixie · 29/05/2025 20:34

Comparisons between Gaza and the Holocaust = antisemitism.

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I'm aware that is the pro-Israel party line. It's what the average person on the street thinks though. If it's on their radar.

ScribblingPixie · 29/05/2025 20:34

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Comparisons between Gaza and the Holocaust = antisemitism.

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Stripes56 · 29/05/2025 19:48

CurlewKate · 29/05/2025 08:59

He didn’t think he was “above this”. He thought other things are more important.

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I bet he knew this might blow back at him, but preferred to speak out. He was already warned about avoiding political posts. It’s not like GL he needed the job.
Perhaps the fact he wasn’t a BBC employee as such but contracted his services to them also played a role in his decision making?

Stripes56 · 29/05/2025 19:40

mids2019 · 29/05/2025 06:54

For every 'nice' letter written in the press by intellectual types there is a hard non shouting at Gal Gadot while filming. Maybe the authors in question should weight their letter more towards anti semtisim as much as 'genocide' (not that they are international lawyers.

They express concerns about antisemitism and that Israeli hostages should be released?
Equal weight to antisemitism and concerns about genocide? Both are bad, and the poor couple died because of antisemitism, but are they equally so in terms of brutal hard figures…

I post the following link with trepidation as it’s harsh - but has some truth to it?

archive.ph/WKP4A

CurlewKate · 29/05/2025 18:25

<shrugs> I think he made a terrible mistake, apologized and withdrew as soon as was humanly possible. As far as I know, he hasn’t shown any sign of anti semitism before-he is merely commenting on what he sees on the news. Yes, I think he is brave and thoughtful for doing that. Others will disagree.