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Gary Lineker - he really had to go and a warning t against virtue signalling

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mids2019 · 19/05/2025 05:21

Maybe Gary Lineker's departure acts as a warning for this not acquainted with history to go around randomly reposting pro Palestinian links though I suspect he is not the only one. In a way it is a sad demise to a career but an absolutely necessary one and a timely warning that a proportion of P Palestinian supporters are anti semites.

for to say I didn't like the Gaurdian 's take that the BBC were looking to sack Gary anyway and he just have them an excuse.

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MatildaMovesMountains · 19/05/2025 09:01

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MyNameIsX · 19/05/2025 09:00

CurlewKate · 19/05/2025 08:52

As I said, the more people with a public profile
who protest against this appalling genocide the better.

Then why his need to constantly delete his posts and to apologise etc?

How odd, if he truly believed what he posted.

TomeTome · 19/05/2025 08:59

I personally had no knowledge that rats were antisemitic. Is this common knowledge? Like many people my family lost loved ones and was forever changed by WW2. So I don’t think it’s unlikely that you could post such a thing in error.
I think what Israel is doing in Gaza is unspeakable evil and that they should be stopped from continuing their barbaric treatment of the Palestinians. There is nothing that could justify this and anyone who tries to is complicit in the death and misery. So my feeling is that Lineker was right to speak out. I think it’s important we all do.

MyNameIsX · 19/05/2025 08:59

MatildaMovesMountains · 19/05/2025 08:38

Are you saying I'm Gary Lineker? ⚽️

No - not unless you identify as him, of course?

Corinthiana · 19/05/2025 08:55

CurlewKate · 19/05/2025 08:52

As I said, the more people with a public profile
who protest against this appalling genocide the better.

It's not a protest if you just re-post memes or slogans with no understanding.

Leo800 · 19/05/2025 08:54

He’s 100% anti-Semitic, using the rat trope & then pleading ignorance. Fortunately that’s the end of his career. Good riddance.

CurlewKate · 19/05/2025 08:52

As I said, the more people with a public profile
who protest against this appalling genocide the better.

quantumbutterfly · 19/05/2025 08:51

For someone who made a very good living being skilful with his feet, they do tend to end up in his mouth a lot. I prefer Ian wright, he doesn't seem so preachy.

Hermiaxx · 19/05/2025 08:47

Hadley Freeman wrote an excellent column on ‘centrist dad’ Linekar in the Sunday Times (18 May) - I don’t have a link but highly recommend!

Hermiaxx · 19/05/2025 08:45

@confusedaboutetiquette - now I’m confused! You said you’d be disappointed if he wasn’t on the side of ‘excellent women like Sharon Davies’. He isn’t - hence my comment!

MatildaMovesMountains · 19/05/2025 08:42

Boredlass · 19/05/2025 08:38

So no one should listen to an ‘aged’ woman? Got it

Careful, you'll be accused of being a Gary sock puppet!

LarkspurLane · 19/05/2025 08:40

confusedaboutetiquette · 19/05/2025 07:20

Fine to publicly condemn the israeli government for its actions (better still to also acknowledge that Hamas did a very evil thing, but he doesn't seem to have). Not at all fine to tap into a centuries old antisemitic trope. I do not believe Lineaker is stupid, and do not believe someone who cares about the middle east generally wouldn't have known about it.

I am appalled by Israel's subsequent actions and am doing my own (possibly ineffective) boycott of their goods, and purposely buying Palestinian olive oil, dates and olives as a tiny piece of action. But I am equally appalled that someone in such a position as Lineaker should have posted what he did.

I have a jewish daughter in law and well know that even before Oct 7 synagogues had security on their doors. Antisemitism is still alive and kicking and is an ugly thing.

I haven't followed his thoughts on trans women in women's sports. But I'd be disappointed if he wasn't on the side of excellent women like Sharon Davies.

Sadly, you'll be disappointed. I'd have more respect for him without these views as well. https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2025/05/16/gary-lineker-views-on-transgender-row-navratilova/?msockid=25bbee08e51e6a511d2afe62e47d6b6d

Edit: Sorry I thought I could share the link but I can't

Boredlass · 19/05/2025 08:38

MyNameIsX · 19/05/2025 05:39

Lineker made two fatal mistakes - firstly, using his media profile and platform to make political statements, and secondly, thinking that anyone gives a fuck what an aged sports commentator thinks about Middle Eastern geopolitics.

He’s about as sharp as a beach ball, and should stick to football punditry (or not).

So no one should listen to an ‘aged’ woman? Got it

MatildaMovesMountains · 19/05/2025 08:38

MyNameIsX · 19/05/2025 08:35

See ya’ Gary, ciao.

Now you can really take off the gloves. Perhaps do some humanitarian work in Gaza? Get a Guardian column? Join Al Jazeera.

The possibilities are endless...

Are you saying I'm Gary Lineker? ⚽️

Corinthiana · 19/05/2025 08:37

MyNameIsX · 19/05/2025 07:43

I genuinely believe that Lineker is not blessed with a significant amount of grey matter.

I also believe that his comments on Palestine are a simple attempt to burnish his credentials amongst the liberal left in the media, and his own pseudo intellectualism.

It’s telling that he repeatedly withdraws posts - he really lacks a profound understanding of what he is posting about.

I would agree with this. It's easy to post something in this simplistic way. A meme, a slogan, a line from a chant. It's just to position himself, without debate or nuance. A rat is particularly vile, but he went there.

MatildaMovesMountains · 19/05/2025 08:36

MyNameIsX · 19/05/2025 08:35

See ya’ Gary, ciao.

Now you can really take off the gloves. Perhaps do some humanitarian work in Gaza? Get a Guardian column? Join Al Jazeera.

The possibilities are endless...

What?

MyNameIsX · 19/05/2025 08:35

MatildaMovesMountains · 19/05/2025 08:31

If nobody cares, why does it matter? You're contradicting yourself.

See ya’ Gary, ciao.

Now you can really take off the gloves. Perhaps do some humanitarian work in Gaza? Get a Guardian column? Join Al Jazeera.

The possibilities are endless...

confusedaboutetiquette · 19/05/2025 08:33

@LlynTegidi think I made that point. Centuries old. Security at synagogues (and schools) even before Oct 7. I know my history and have doubled down on the history of antisemitism since my son got married. Forgive me if I miss some aspects. I know full well it’s exhausting. And depressing

MatildaMovesMountains · 19/05/2025 08:31

MyNameIsX · 19/05/2025 05:39

Lineker made two fatal mistakes - firstly, using his media profile and platform to make political statements, and secondly, thinking that anyone gives a fuck what an aged sports commentator thinks about Middle Eastern geopolitics.

He’s about as sharp as a beach ball, and should stick to football punditry (or not).

If nobody cares, why does it matter? You're contradicting yourself.

Bumble6 · 19/05/2025 08:30

Greenartywitch · 19/05/2025 08:20

Virtue signalling?

Lineker is just a man who is horrified by the slaughter of civilians in Gaza.

You don't have to support Hamas or be antisemitic to object to that. You just have to be a human being with basic compassion.

Good on him for having the courage to speak out.

I think what Hamas did was horrific and I have nothing against jewish people but I also think that everyone being quiet about what the state of Israel is doing in Gaza is unacceptable.

By using a post with a rat?

LlynTegid · 19/05/2025 08:21

confusedaboutetiquette · 19/05/2025 07:20

Fine to publicly condemn the israeli government for its actions (better still to also acknowledge that Hamas did a very evil thing, but he doesn't seem to have). Not at all fine to tap into a centuries old antisemitic trope. I do not believe Lineaker is stupid, and do not believe someone who cares about the middle east generally wouldn't have known about it.

I am appalled by Israel's subsequent actions and am doing my own (possibly ineffective) boycott of their goods, and purposely buying Palestinian olive oil, dates and olives as a tiny piece of action. But I am equally appalled that someone in such a position as Lineaker should have posted what he did.

I have a jewish daughter in law and well know that even before Oct 7 synagogues had security on their doors. Antisemitism is still alive and kicking and is an ugly thing.

I haven't followed his thoughts on trans women in women's sports. But I'd be disappointed if he wasn't on the side of excellent women like Sharon Davies.

Anti-semitism was not something that resumed on October 7 2023, don't forget those in the Labour Party who were appeased when Jeremy Corbyn was leader.

Greenartywitch · 19/05/2025 08:20

Virtue signalling?

Lineker is just a man who is horrified by the slaughter of civilians in Gaza.

You don't have to support Hamas or be antisemitic to object to that. You just have to be a human being with basic compassion.

Good on him for having the courage to speak out.

I think what Hamas did was horrific and I have nothing against jewish people but I also think that everyone being quiet about what the state of Israel is doing in Gaza is unacceptable.

LunchtimeNaps · 19/05/2025 08:18

I don't know why it is so hard for people not to comment on social media if it will effect your job.

Seagullsandsausagerolls · 19/05/2025 08:07

@confusedaboutetiquette indeed it's not even his first go at it you'd think he'd learn from his mistakes.

Criticism of the Israeli government is obviously fine, posting links to caricatures of Jewish people is not (I think this has been so normalised during, history it's accepted by many) antisemitic tropes are well bedded in society and so normalised.

Calling out a genocide whilst calling the slaughter of over 1000 Jewish people "that Hamas thing" is more than tone deaf imo. It may well be a genocide but what happened on 7 October one of the worst terror attacks ever is not a "thing" it's a tragedy.

confusedaboutetiquette · 19/05/2025 07:56

@Hermiaxxhe can’t be that stupid; he founded Goalhanger, and is exec producer on many of its highly lucrative podcasts. That shows he ought to have his finger on the pulse. And you have to be quick witted at the very least to host live TV. Lack of exams doesn’t equate with lack of intelligence.

my conclusion is that I’m even more disappointed that a man who is above averagely intelligent should promote any form of anti semitism.