Eurovision - was the jury vote impacted by politics?

It's not my opinion.

Yes, they are.

Says the United Nations, Amnesty international, the international courts if justice,Human Rights watch, various human rights organisations and many more.

Forced displacement of 85% 9f the population, the mass murder of civilians, mainly women and children, purposeful starvation and blockage of medical aid, the bombing and total destruction of all twelve universities, most of the schools and the majority of hospitals.

Israel is ethnically cleansing Gaza. They won't stop until everyone is dead or displaced.

And there they are prancing about singing in fucking Eurovision as if they were a legitimate law abiding state, instead of genocidal lunatics.

Deplorable.

It wasn't a brilliant song, it was a mediocre mid table song. Can't remember precisely now where the jury placed it but their votes did seem to represent the quality and performance of the songs. For the public, though, it's very easy to mobilise positive voting for one country - nothing to do with the song. Each voter can vote 20 times (and it may even be 20 times per device). So if you're motivated to want a particular country to win, pretty easy to game the voting system.

Which implies that hamas are going to carry on holding the hostages for another year😔sadly they have form for this.

In Porky's opinion, ironically.

I mean, pragmatically, it would have been a nightmare for the organisers of Israel had won in terms of them hosting it next year, other countries boycotting… so can see why jurors may have wanted to avoid that! (Not saying it’s right or wrong, just very much “easier” all round for Israel not to win!)

Are they committing genocide?

says who?

There was an ad in Times Square anyway - telling people to vote for Israel. I think it put a lot of effort into using Eurovision to launder its public image. And cynically used a victim of Hamas as their star for this purpose. It doesn’t indicate global support for Israel’s actions in the war. Even in the US public support for Isreal has started to tip in the other direction.

Not that I agree with anyone trying to attack someone on stage.

There were ads on FB - but other countries did this too.

Prior to the semi-final, Serbian tv had ads on FB. I can't recall whether they were in multiple languages - I read some Serbian, but saw the ad in English - but they had multiple flags in their ad, in order to catch the eye.

They also explained how people whose country had not made the semi-final cut could vote online.

Whether anyone agrees or not? Do you mean according to you? I can see a small flaw in your argument.

Btw, you might want to actually look at the numbers; less than 7 percent of the people who watch Eurovision actually vote . And they can vote up to twenty times.

It's not at all difficult to see how numbers can be slanted when you're talking about tiny numbers of motivated people

There were ads on social media, including Facebook.

What are you suggesting about the Irish public? Are you speaking for all 5 million+ of them?

They are committing genocide whether anyone agrees or not. Opinions don't change facts.

Some will always continue to live in their echo chamber - it can be a safe space.
But the even the thickest of walls can crack with the force of facts. For the first time, the majority of the U.S. public have a negative opinion of Israel. Don’t be so surprised if public opinions support the plight of Palestinians and certainly don’t take public vote in Eurovision as a measure of anything the general public thinks.

Didn’t you get the memo? It’s down to a sinister conspiracy with lots of adverts making people vote 20 times each for Israel. You know how sneaky and clever Jews, I mean Israelis, can be, they even control Eurovision now apparently

edited to amend redundant wording

Quite. The vast majority of us remain pro the victims of terrorism and very much anti the hamas rapists, thank god. We just don't run about the streets screaming our opinions at intimidated strangers, so maybe we're easy to ignore. Incidentally, I didn't vote as despite there apparently being vast quantities of adverts forcing people to vote for Israel, I didn't find any at all, even on twitter. Relieved it wasn't necessary, and that I'm not wrong about the mood of the public. I imagine it must be very embarrassing to think everyone agrees with you, only to discover you are actually very much in the minority and every decent person thinks you're a nazi. Seems a few here still quite determined not to face up to reality though!

Wow.

93% of children in Gaza at risk of dying from
famine and this is what you choose to post about.

I will never understand people who don’t care about the state sponsored murder of children.

I guess you don’t keep up with Irish polls towards Israel?
I completely understand why pro-Israelis want to see the public vote as a measure of support. Desperate times…

What 'multiple languages' please and where were the adverts?

I don't know and don't think you should speak for the whole Irish public either.

@AmIthatSpringy @Twiglets1

Just following likely facts. Do you think Irish public gave Israel 10 points because they suddenly had a change of heart towards Israel? 😂

Yes it must have been a shock for them. Probably hoping Israel would be humiliated at the event since they didn't get their way about them being banned.

Honestly ... this just comes across as a desperate attempt to explain what you find inexplicable. Even most of the people who support Israel wouldn't have just voted for them on that basis alone because - like me - they didn't consider that the best song and see Eurovision as mainly a fun event.

I'm not denying that some people will have voted multiple times for Israel for political reasons but they will be in a minority.

You could just as easily argue that members of the public not knowing much about the war could have been swayed not to vote for Israel due to the controversy around them which even Graham Norton mentioned which he probably shouldn't have done in the interests of appearing neutral.

It's interesting to see all the pro pal brigade twisting themselves into knots rather than face up to the fact that they're living in their own bubble