Eurovision - was the jury vote impacted by politics?

lol… on repeat!

Israel has become a bit of a model of ethno-nationalism for far right groups - thinking of the nation state law or the official language . The country has a system that preferences Jewish people. So, It fits into the far right groups anti Muslim worldview.

i feel like this is introduction 101 into why far right groups support Israel!

Why do you think Israel gets support from far right groups?

I expect they have bucks fizz in hell.😶

And 30 years after his death?

Impressive.

Are Muslims a common enemy? is that what you think?
Plenty of Muslims live in Israel.

Well 100% agree with you there. Far right supporters see Israel as fighting the common enemy of Muslims. They aren’t concerned by the death & destruction as long as the “right” people are dying.

Not everyone who supports Israel is far right globally. Although there is a huge amount of motivated support from this group online which likely contributed.

I don't disagree there. Force teaming those who don't villify Israel or who dare to stand by Israelis with the far right I will object to...... (Although tbf the far right now seems to include people who are a little bit conservative because they're being viewed from so far away.)

I think Jewish people are very aware that 'my enemy's enemy is my friend' is not a truism.

I think pro Israeli supporters voted for Israel and they drummed up support online from people who don’t usually watch.

But this again, this is not wrong, it’s not new and it’s not a conspiracy. I’m literally just saying that it’s not a reliable indicator of public sentiment towards the conflict.

I expect they were too busy putting dubbin on their DMs and shaving their heads. Even Dr Who got the Eurovision bug with a bit of surreptitious political messaging thrown in.

@quantumbutterfly

They're not even bothering to watch. Just voting anyway. Along with some mumsnetters on here that said that they won’t be watching but will be voting for Israel anyway.
Check out the thread

‘Is anyone else boycotting Eurovision’

Where did I say anyone cheated ??

Many countries have won in the past in this way. It’s not cheating, it’s just statistics and how public votes can work.

I’m saying it’s not an indicator of the public sentiment towards Israeli military action in Gaza.

While he was making his mind up?

Where’s your evidence for something you’re stating as fact?

Just cannot stomach that a large majority of the public voted for Israel so that you have to keep insisting they cheated.

Pathetic.

Are you suggesting that the far right are all watching Eurovision, that's quite a mental picture. Mind you I heard that Stalin liked to listen to Bucks Fizz so I guess stranger things have happened.

If you google it or look on instagram you can see an ad on Times Square for starters. But this is nothing new. Counties often run paid ads to encourage Eurovision votes. Maybe Israel spent $$$ in comparison. we will never know. But it’s not a new thing to run ads and it’s not newsworthy or even a conspiracy. Israel are perfectly entitled to run ads and other countries did the same. They did not do anything wrong by doing so.

The reason the public vote did so well for them lies more in the fact that a small group of supporters voting multiple times for the same country can significantly influence the outcome. The other voters were spreading their votes among multiple countries.

It doesn’t even have to do with Jewish people voting alone. You have to remember that many far right groups support Israeli actions.

Seems more like it's you that would prefer another point of view isn't put forward.

I’m quite disturbed by the voting if I’m honest. I’m from a Jewish background but very worried by the actions of the Israeli government towards innocent children in Gaza, which are probably war crimes. I do not get how so many people voted for them in these circumstances (the song wasn’t THAT good!)

There is nothing conspiratorial about it. I can completely understand why pro- Israeli people would want to support Israel particularly at a time when its international image is so beleaguered.

A quick Google:
https://m.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=1248860567246218&set=a.493960119402937
There’s some on instagram and TikTok
Put in « vote for Yuval Raphael » to see adverts asking people to use all 20 votes for her.

I’d be surprised the Guardian would publish. Seems fair game to me to be able to make most of the voting system in place. But don’t suppose it suggests anything what the general public think.

The Guardian also didn’t publish anything on tens of thousands marching in London to remember the Nakba this weekend!

news.sky.com/video/tens-of-thousands-of-people-attend-pro-palestine-protests-to-mark-77-years-since-the-nakba-13369908

You've just posted something dated 2024 in a debate about Eurovision 2025 - please use better sources to make points and people will take you more seriously.

Throwing out trope accusations to shut down conversation.

A lot of fake votes

The song was my winner. I liked her voice and.her presentation.

Do you have links to the online adverts? Screenshots?

Are you stating that even if Israel’s supporters were voting multiple times, that other country’s supporters don’t do this, and it is isolated to only Israel? Where is the evidence of this?

I mean Jews run the EBU just like they run the world, <sarcasm> so why didn’t they ensure Israel won?

They are pushing people to vote as well are they, do you mean forcing?

If I saw an advert for something I didn’t like, support or want, I don’t think I’d do what the adverts told me to do, would you?

Are you also implying that the people who voted for Israel are intellectually challenged and open to the persuasion of an advert they actually don’t agree with?

It’s surprising that the majority of viewers who are surely anti- Israel (according to you) even watched Eurovision and didn’t boycott the whole thing seeing as it’s sponsored by an Israeli company.

Now who’s the intellectually challenged ones?

Since when have newspaper reports using unverified information been considered ‘facts’.

You might consider reading accounts from people who have actually been on the ground in Gaza including highly ranked retired UK and US military.

Not that you’d believe them as they don’t fit into your narrative.

Where is your verified evidence of starving children? As of early April there was 5 months worth of aid delivered to Gaza. Has there ever been evidence of starving children throughout this conflict despite constant reports that they were going to? I’m looking for facts as you presented your statement as btw.

Evidence that Israel has murdered over 13000 children? Murder means deliberately killing btw.

Evidence Dr Safiya has been tortured? He is detained on suspicion of holding a rank in Hamas. Do you have evidence to refute that?

No one is denying the Palestinians lived experience but why aren’t more people, protestors, politicians (and the media) calling for Hamas to surrender and release the remaining hostages instead of burying their heads in the sand about this being reason the war is still ongoing, and also the refusal of neighbouring countries to accept Palestinian refugees wanting and needing safe haven out of a war zone which generally happens in every other war.

Rather disingenuous to ignore this.