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Israeli air strike on the European hospital has killed and injured so many!

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Whatsinanamehey · 13/05/2025 20:52

This is absolutely devastating, so many killed and injured in a hospital!

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cx2jvx3yjg3o

A group of Palestinians stand by a large crater

Israeli air strike on hospital kills 28 people in Gaza, civil defence says

Israel's military said it was targeting a Hamas command centre which it said was beneath the hospital.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cx2jvx3yjg3o

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Twiglets1 · 14/05/2025 16:35

Ynet News: US was not informed, Gaza hospital targeted in strike: Behind the assassination attempt on Mohammed Sinwar.

Israel did not notify the United States ahead of the assassination attempt on Mohammed Sinwar in Khan Younis, a source familiar with the matter revealed to Ynet on Tuesday evening. According to the source, the operation was the result of a "sudden opportunity," leaving no time to inform the Americans or consider the fact that the strike coincided with President Donald Trump’s speech in Saudi Arabia.

The source clarified that Sinwar's death has not yet been confirmed, but noted that "at the moment, it looks promising—and if he was there, it is hard to believe he survived because it was a very aggressive strike."

The decision to target Sinwar was made shortly before the operation, with the aircraft deployed in a rapid and compact timeframe. Officials in Israel estimate that it may take some time to determine the results of the strike with certainty, potentially a few days.

Mohammed Sinwar, brother of slain Hamas mastermind Yahya Sinwar, had been leading Hamas’ military wing, the Izz al-Din al-Qassam Brigades, in Gaza since the assassination of Mohammed Deif. Following the elimination of his brother Yahya Sinwar in Rafah, he also became involved in managing broader operations in Gaza. Known for his extremist stance and as a significant figure in Hamas leadership, Mohammed Sinwar often posed a barrier to negotiations between Israel and Hamas. If he was indeed killed, this could impact ongoing talks, potentially strengthening the position of Hamas's external leadership, which is seen as more inclined toward reaching agreements.

https://www.ynetnews.com/article/hkqhawbwex

Odras · 14/05/2025 15:37

dairydebris · 14/05/2025 13:00

Every one of those 22 children could still be alive if Hamas would surrender and give themselves up.

A lot of wide-eyed naivety as always on this thread about the terribleness of war.

I also missed the outrage post with everyone calling the uk evil for the war crimes commited by the SAS in Afghanistan, including "unarmed Afghans killed in cold blood".

War is hell.

Hamas need to surrender- I think time is running out before the Palestinians have no hope left at all.

Did you really miss the pressure that lead to the Afghanistan enquiry? If unarmed Afghans were killed and this was covered up! I think that is evil do you not? That’s a war crime and so is this.

The defeat of Hamas is now only one goal for Isreal. They also want to expand military control over Gaza and displace the population. So even if Hamas we’re to step down (and there are other militant groups that could arise in it’s place anyway) there is little reason to think now it would end the war.

BelleHathor · 14/05/2025 15:31

In the last few weeks America negotiated with both the Houthis and Hamas both designated in the US as terrorist groups.

Also here is Trump with the current leader of Syria, a known Al Qaeda/ Al Nusra terrorist responsible for killing many people including Americans earlier today.

The empire talks to and negotiates with whomever forwards it's goals.

Israeli air strike on the European hospital has killed and injured so many!
Odras · 14/05/2025 15:17

BreezyBertha · 13/05/2025 21:42

Just about every other government says ‘we don’t negotiate with terrorists’ but Israel are expected to, although the negotiations were probably only a tool
to get as many hostages back as possible. I don’t know how many other governments would.

They say that but they actually do usually through a middle man. Off the top of my head I can think of the UK and Columbia. In these cases it was to end seemingly never ending conflict.

Whatsinanamehey · 14/05/2025 15:07

Israel is using starvation as a weapon of war. I would think more people would be horrified and not try to minimise little children being starved. Netanyahu had turned Israel into a pariah state.

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ComeAsYouAreAsAFriend · 14/05/2025 14:30

dairydebris · 14/05/2025 13:00

Every one of those 22 children could still be alive if Hamas would surrender and give themselves up.

A lot of wide-eyed naivety as always on this thread about the terribleness of war.

I also missed the outrage post with everyone calling the uk evil for the war crimes commited by the SAS in Afghanistan, including "unarmed Afghans killed in cold blood".

War is hell.

Hamas need to surrender- I think time is running out before the Palestinians have no hope left at all.

Yes Hamas need to surrender but I don't share your certainty that the people of Gaza would be any safer once they do.

War is hell
It is but there are international laws to limit the impact on civilians so it is even more hellish when these are ignored and humanitarian aid is blocked as a form of collective punishment

A lot of wide-eyed naivety
For wanting an end to the suffering, starvation, war crimes and genocide intent? How cynical of you

ComeAsYouAreAsAFriend · 14/05/2025 14:22

Twiglets1 · 14/05/2025 14:03

I know that 🤷🏼‍♀️

It may be donated by other countries but it’s still up to Israel whether they allow it into Gaza or not isn’t it? So they can either provide it or block it & unfortunately they are choosing to block it.

Well then I'm unsure what your point is. I don't think anyone expects Israel to provide it just allow access and safe distribution. Not sure why you have the idea that people do expect Israel to provide it

Twiglets1 · 14/05/2025 14:06

smallglassbottle · 14/05/2025 13:42

It's only a war if the other side fight back. This is genocidal punishment for the 7th October attacks.

What would have happened to Israel if they didn’t fight back after October 7th attack do you think?

Twiglets1 · 14/05/2025 14:03

ComeAsYouAreAsAFriend · 14/05/2025 13:41

I think it's pretty obvious that many people do expect Israel to provide food and water, medical supplies etc based on the outrage shown about the fact that aid is currently being blocked.
I think it's pretty obvious you don't understand the issue. Israel is blocking aid supplied by other countries and ngos getting access to Gaza. Trucks with humanitarian aid are sitting on the border not allowed in. Israel has control of the borders and therefore the power to starve a population and is doing so. This is a war crime. People want an end to the blockade of aid which is completely within Israel's power to do.

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I know that 🤷🏼‍♀️

It may be donated by other countries but it’s still up to Israel whether they allow it into Gaza or not isn’t it? So they can either provide it or block it & unfortunately they are choosing to block it.

dairydebris · 14/05/2025 14:02

smallglassbottle · 14/05/2025 13:44

The attacks which the Israeli authorities were warned about up to a year prior to them occurring, and a week before they took place, by Egypt. The Israeli authorities dismissed the threat. Why did they happen then?

Because they didn't take the threat seriously enough, there were many failures of communication between various Israeli parties, and Israel didn't believe Hamas capable of mounting such an attack.
All huge errors that I hope one day someone will have to be held accountable for.

Unless you were trying to imply something else?

smallglassbottle · 14/05/2025 13:44

The attacks which the Israeli authorities were warned about up to a year prior to them occurring, and a week before they took place, by Egypt. The Israeli authorities dismissed the threat. Why did they happen then?

smallglassbottle · 14/05/2025 13:42

It's only a war if the other side fight back. This is genocidal punishment for the 7th October attacks.

ComeAsYouAreAsAFriend · 14/05/2025 13:41

Twiglets1 · 14/05/2025 13:00

You've had a couple of posts deleted.

I didn't think you actually meant what you appeared to say, based on previous conversations. So thanks for clarifying that.

I think it's pretty obvious that many people do expect Israel to provide food and water, medical supplies etc based on the outrage shown about the fact that aid is currently being blocked.

I think it's pretty obvious that many people do expect Israel to provide food and water, medical supplies etc based on the outrage shown about the fact that aid is currently being blocked.
I think it's pretty obvious you don't understand the issue. Israel is blocking aid supplied by other countries and ngos getting access to Gaza. Trucks with humanitarian aid are sitting on the border not allowed in. Israel has control of the borders and therefore the power to starve a population and is doing so. This is a war crime. People want an end to the blockade of aid which is completely within Israel's power to do.

dairydebris · 14/05/2025 13:00

Whatsinanamehey · 14/05/2025 12:15

Airstrikes this morning has killed over 50 people in the north of Gaza. The indonesian hospital have said that 22 of the dead are children.

Let that sink in, 22 children who were likely starving killed in cold blood in just one small area of Gaza. That doesn't even account for all the others who have survived but have been injured.

Every one of those 22 children could still be alive if Hamas would surrender and give themselves up.

A lot of wide-eyed naivety as always on this thread about the terribleness of war.

I also missed the outrage post with everyone calling the uk evil for the war crimes commited by the SAS in Afghanistan, including "unarmed Afghans killed in cold blood".

War is hell.

Hamas need to surrender- I think time is running out before the Palestinians have no hope left at all.

Twiglets1 · 14/05/2025 13:00

Martymcfly24 · 14/05/2025 12:43

Fair enough.

No one expects Israel to provide them with food and water because they certainly won't ( and I have never heard it said here or in the news that Israel should feed them) It is just expected that the won't prevent other countries from supporting them .

No I don't think Hamas should have started a war .
I also don't think Palestinians should have been oppressed and abused for years.
And I don't think using the phrase "whine" when 50,000 have died is appropriate.

You've had a couple of posts deleted.

I didn't think you actually meant what you appeared to say, based on previous conversations. So thanks for clarifying that.

I think it's pretty obvious that many people do expect Israel to provide food and water, medical supplies etc based on the outrage shown about the fact that aid is currently being blocked.

Whatsinanamehey · 14/05/2025 12:49

Mumsnet are being pretty heavy handed with their deletions on this thread.

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BreezyBertha · 14/05/2025 12:47

Hoppinggreen · 14/05/2025 12:44

They are not expected to do anything other than allow aid through and stop bombing hospitals but that seems beyond them.

It also seems to be beyond Hamas to stop hiding in hospitals/civilian infrastructure and using them as bases.

Why doesn’t somebody tell them to stop?

BreezyBertha · 14/05/2025 12:45

Why are the usual posters castigating and demonising Israel for not stopping the war, not showing the same anger and disgust with Hamas not surrendering or returning the remaining 58 hostages they’ve been holding for over a year and a half?

They will respond that they don’t hold Hamas to the same standard as Israel of course. Why not when as a poster pointed out Palestinians (which Hamas are) have a 97% literacy rate, the same as Israelis?

Hoppinggreen · 14/05/2025 12:44

Tinyrabbit · 14/05/2025 12:16

Yes, and Israel is also expected to provide food, water, and utilities to a population who are trying to eradicate them. War is hell on civilians, always has been. Don't start wars and then whine when the people you wanted to genocide, actually start fighting back and doing it properly.
Gaza is and was a failed state, dedicated not to the wellbeing of its citizens, but the mindless destruction of the state of Israel and the Jewish people.

They are not expected to do anything other than allow aid through and stop bombing hospitals but that seems beyond them.

Martymcfly24 · 14/05/2025 12:43

Twiglets1 · 14/05/2025 12:38

The poster you are replying to didn't say Israel is providing them with food and water - they said Israel are expected to provide food, water, and utilities to a population who are trying to eradicate them. This is true.

You say: Israel have oppressed the people for years and now posters are coming on saying they shouldn't have started the war!

Do you actually think it's right then that Hamas did start this war?

Fair enough.

No one expects Israel to provide them with food and water because they certainly won't ( and I have never heard it said here or in the news that Israel should feed them) It is just expected that the won't prevent other countries from supporting them .

No I don't think Hamas should have started a war .
I also don't think Palestinians should have been oppressed and abused for years.
And I don't think using the phrase "whine" when 50,000 have died is appropriate.

Hoppinggreen · 14/05/2025 12:42

BreezyBertha · 13/05/2025 21:28

Very precise strikes if 6 bombs were dropped in a small area.

How many of the 28 killed were Hamas?

The IDF were going after Mohammed Sinwar, Yayha’s younger brother, who has taken over command of Hamas’s military wing from Mohammed Deif from that article.

Hope they got him.

Where is the outrage that Hamas are continuing to use hospitals for their activities, and hiding like rats the rats they are in them, causing needless civilian casualties.

I am outraged by both of those things.

Twiglets1 · 14/05/2025 12:38

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The poster you are replying to didn't say Israel is providing them with food and water - they said Israel are expected to provide food, water, and utilities to a population who are trying to eradicate them. This is true.

You say: Israel have oppressed the people for years and now posters are coming on saying they shouldn't have started the war!

Do you actually think it's right then that Hamas did start this war?

Twiglets1 · 14/05/2025 12:33

From the same article:

The attack bears similarities to the assassination of the former Hezbollah leader, Hassan Nasrallah, in Beirut last December.

If confirmed, the killing would mark the IDF’s first major success in terms of taking out the terror group’s top military commanders since the ceasefire fell apart two months ago.

Sinwar, 49, took over the command of Hamas in Gaza after his older brother, Yahya, the architect of the October 7 attack, was killed by Israeli troops last October.

If the younger Sinwar has been killed, it would leave Hamas without a recognised military leader in Gaza.

The IDF did not confirm whether Sinwar had been killed. The military said it had targeted Hamas operatives in an underground command centre belonging to the terror group below the hospital.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2025/05/14/israel-assassinates-hamas-leader-sinwar-resist-hostage-deal/

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