Israeli movements against Settlements?

This is occupation and apartheid and supporting terrorism. This is major. Would you vote for a government that did that because you agreed with them on taxes or Green issues? I really feel that you are minimising this and minimising the role that lots of Israelis have had in this over the years whether it is through direct action or indifference.

I believe he got elected largely due to his strong relationship with Trump. Living in Israel you would feel the need for a leader with powerful allies due to the constant risk of being attacked.

What about Ben Givr who is keeping Netanyahu in power, and has been driving this war, and driving settlements before the war.

Ben-Gvir, 48, was known as a hardline extremist even before he helped Netanyahu form the most right-wing coalition in Israel's history. Burly, bespectacled and outspoken, Ben-Gvir heads the pro-settler, nationalist-religious Jewish Power party.
(Reuters March 18)

The wat he talks about plans for the Palestinians in Gaza is disturbing.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/smotrich-gaza-will-be-totally-destroyed-within-months-population-concentrated-in-narrow-border-area/

This is so terrible to read. Smotrich says all of the West Bank will be annexed this term. I'm assuming that's on the agenda to discuss with Trump who probably won't have any qualms with it

Would have thought that the Israeli government’s acceptance of and support for illegal settlements would be pretty high on any list of voters’ opinions.

I wouldn’t vote for any government that supported such aggressive discrimination and genocidal opinions against people different to me.

Why? Do you agree with all the things the British government allow or do?

Assuming you live in Britain - don't you think we vote for the party that we most agree with but don't agree with all their policies?

How does that opinion go down if they express it publicly (assuming they live in Israel)?

Well, quite.

I wouldn’t want to minimise the negative impact of the Settlers @Mylegishangingoff I saw on the programme how awful they were.

However, I did have to point out that “the Settlers are not Israel but rather a group of extremists” to @Yassnass145 after they said that “The views of people in Israel have been warped by those in power but they definitely do hold these views in majority”.

It’s wrong to assume a majority of people in Israel support the Settlers. We actually don’t know how many do, all we can say is how many Settlers there are.

I watched the programme and on it there were Israelis who are against the settlers who were helping, by their presence, to create a buffer between the poor Palestinians trying to harvest their olives etc and the vile settlers. One criticism I saw of the programme was that not enough time was given to them.

If you saw the award winning film No Other Land, also about the West Bank and the Israelis artificially blocking Palestinians from their land (by the device of calling it a military zone then encouraging settlers), while bulldozing Palestinians’ houses - one of the makers is Israeli.

And yet the settlers have been enabled by government support for decades. The democratic government.

Whatever way you look at it @Twiglets1 it's a lot of people who are actually profiting off Palestinians loss and misery. Theres a lot of minimising goes on when you mention the settlements, I think it's important for people to understand that it is very normal to profit off Palestinian loss or have family who do if you are Israeli, far more so than it is to be a British vegetarian, it's nothing like a 'fringe movement' and it does nobody any favours to pretend otherwise.

… and the average family size in the settlements will be considerably larger. 8,9 kids. “Go forth” etc. I think the family in the documentary had 8.

Put another way @Mylegishangingoff 90% of the Israeli population do not live in Settlements and so it’s entirely conceivable that most don’t support them.

Yet 10% of the population live there so at least 1 in 10 Israelis don't just support them they actually benefit from stealing land and resources. Hardly the 'fringe' movement its often described as is it. Being a settler in Israel and stealing land and resources is 10x more common than running a marathon is in the Uk. It's twice as common to be a settler and profit from stolen land and resources in Israel as it is to be a vegetarian in the UK. Most people know a vegetarian or a marathon runner but settlers are a 'fringe' movement 🙄 And that just actual settlers, it doesn't include the people who support and enable them.

My husband and most of my family are Israeli. I don’t know a single person in Israel who supports the settlements.

Here is a good interview with Ralph Wilde UCL professor of International law (who has appeared before the ICJ) representing the Arab league in recent cases.

And here is his appearance before the ICJ last year:

Yep.

The period in history that suits their ideology.

"Samaria" is quite the tell here.

Alternatively Northern Ireland.

In the late 1500s and early 1600s protestants settled, mostly in Ulster, often fleeing the Counter Reformation in Scotland.

They fought against Irish independence after 1918, and succeeded in getting a divided Ireland, with Northern Ireland part of the UK. By then had established a protestant and unionist majority in Ulster, as opposed to a Catholic and independent majority in the whole of the previously united island of Ireland.

Were the Irish independence movement right - Ireland had been Irish forever and a day, and the settlers were colonialists who should go home?

Or were the unionists, who had been there for 400 years and many generations, right to insist they had a right to their homes?

Well, that's the question, isn't it? How many years, how many generations?

Sorry to keep reverting to Greater Germany, but I think it is relevant.

Germany, Russia and the Hapsburgs carved up Poland in 1795. Then in 1918 Poland became a country again.

So in 1939 they claimed the parts of Poland that had been German before 1918. Poles became second class citizens with few rights (Jews even worse conditions).

According to your arguments about Palestine, that's correct? For historic reasons Nazi Germany were entitled to claim Polish territory?

The same way Israel is entitled to claim Palestine? By force of arms and history?

Edit - 'they' being Germany

That's great. But you still can't see the historical differences or the ethical issues between direct comparison between Greater Germany (you can say Nazi policy) and the State of Israel? Or why it is problematic?

I hope you never get anywhere near any real world policy which impacts anything of importance.

All the best. This is a waste of time.

And sadly the lack of focus on the nuances and Israel hate fest has turned Israel into a real siege mentality nation.@Snitchyorwitchy

Your use of the phrase "Israel hate fest " implies that you think that those who question Israel's actions, hate Israel.
I think you'll find that most people here do not hate Israel, they hate Israel's current behaviour.

So in future could it please be "Israel's current behaviour hate fest."

Uneducated?

Sure.

History degree and Masters in Peace Studies. Case studies included Northern Ireland, Nepal, South Africa etc.