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Anyone watched the Louis Theroux documentary

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Ninerina · 30/04/2025 15:06

I knew that things were bad for the Palestinians but after watching the documentary I'm so disgusted by the 'settlers' the government of Israel and especially Daniella Weiss.
Palestinians are referred to as savages and camel riders by a rabbi!
Will we get a chorus of how Louis Theroux is anti- semitic now? The usual battle cry of the Israel supporters

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dairydebris · 02/05/2025 11:10

Whatsinanamehey · 02/05/2025 10:57

Sometimes if a senior soldier is present he might tell them to behave but generally they are left to their own devices and it's really difficult. Especially when it's very hot and you have somewhere important to get to or you need to get home to pick your child from school. Some even eventually resort to begging the soldiers to let them go through.

Recently read A Day in the Life of Abed Salama, was very illuminating on the day to day struggles Palestinian civilians face. For medical care specifically.

They've been failed again and again by the awful decisions of their leadership.

purpleme12 · 02/05/2025 11:07

Wow this thread is getting confusing with all the arguing and posts and posters quoted

PollyPaintsFlowers · 02/05/2025 11:05

Whatsinanamehey · 02/05/2025 10:50

I'm not talking about why checkpoints are there, I'm talking about the regular abuse of power especially by younger IDF soldiers on Palestinians who are trying to pass through the checkpoints.

But it's important to to know why they're there. They weren't just put up spontaneously to make Palestinians' lives harder

PollyPaintsFlowers · 02/05/2025 11:02

LudvillasCave · 02/05/2025 10:53

To be fair, they did say this.

Responding to a poster calling out expressions of superiority over Palestinians, the poster’s response was along the lines of:

’Actually I do feel comfortable saying I am superior to people who do X, Y, and Z [list of violent acts]’

Which poster is that?

Whatsinanamehey · 02/05/2025 10:57

dairydebris · 02/05/2025 10:53

I don't doubt that.

There is obviously so much hatred on both sides that there's bound to be a lot of friction at bottlenecks.

Still necessary to have the check points though.

Perhaps when both sides have leadership that would prefer talking to violence everyone's lives will improve.

Sometimes if a senior soldier is present he might tell them to behave but generally they are left to their own devices and it's really difficult. Especially when it's very hot and you have somewhere important to get to or you need to get home to pick your child from school. Some even eventually resort to begging the soldiers to let them go through.

LudvillasCave · 02/05/2025 10:53

Twiglets1 · 02/05/2025 10:26

I don't believe you. That is not the sort of thing I have ever seen them say.

To be fair, they did say this.

Responding to a poster calling out expressions of superiority over Palestinians, the poster’s response was along the lines of:

’Actually I do feel comfortable saying I am superior to people who do X, Y, and Z [list of violent acts]’

dairydebris · 02/05/2025 10:53

Whatsinanamehey · 02/05/2025 10:48

It's a regular occurrence where soldiers will abuse their powers and not let Palestinians through check points for hours if they don't like them. These are lived experiences, they are often abused there too.

I don't doubt that.

There is obviously so much hatred on both sides that there's bound to be a lot of friction at bottlenecks.

Still necessary to have the check points though.

Perhaps when both sides have leadership that would prefer talking to violence everyone's lives will improve.

Whatsinanamehey · 02/05/2025 10:50

dairydebris · 02/05/2025 10:44

But surely, post 2 intifadas and 7 October, you understand why checkpoints must be there? I wouldn't say at any point there is 'no reason'.

I'm not talking about why checkpoints are there, I'm talking about the regular abuse of power especially by younger IDF soldiers on Palestinians who are trying to pass through the checkpoints.

Whatsinanamehey · 02/05/2025 10:48

dairydebris · 02/05/2025 10:44

But surely, post 2 intifadas and 7 October, you understand why checkpoints must be there? I wouldn't say at any point there is 'no reason'.

It's a regular occurrence where soldiers will abuse their powers and not let Palestinians through check points for hours if they don't like them. These are lived experiences, they are often abused there too.

PollyPaintsFlowers · 02/05/2025 10:47

There's still terror attacks by Palestinian terrorists at the checkpoints every few weeks, but there's been no suicide attacks or grenade attacks in Israel's interior

PollyPaintsFlowers · 02/05/2025 10:46

Whatsinanamehey · 02/05/2025 10:41

For anyone who is actually interested about the documentary and how Palestinians are treated in the west bank then the check points are a nightmare. You have a doctors appointment that should be a 20 minute journey but you have to leave a couple of hours in advance because you don't know which IDF soldiers is going to be at the checkpoint that day and some of them will hold you up for hours for no reason given except they are in a bad mood that day or they get a kick out of it.

Those increased restrictions only came into force after the second Intifada when Palestinian suicide bombers blew themselves up on Israeli buses and threw grenades into busy restaurants.

Since the checkpoints there's been far, far less Palestinian terror attacks inside Israel (until 7/10)

dairydebris · 02/05/2025 10:44

Whatsinanamehey · 02/05/2025 10:41

For anyone who is actually interested about the documentary and how Palestinians are treated in the west bank then the check points are a nightmare. You have a doctors appointment that should be a 20 minute journey but you have to leave a couple of hours in advance because you don't know which IDF soldiers is going to be at the checkpoint that day and some of them will hold you up for hours for no reason given except they are in a bad mood that day or they get a kick out of it.

But surely, post 2 intifadas and 7 October, you understand why checkpoints must be there? I wouldn't say at any point there is 'no reason'.

PollyPaintsFlowers · 02/05/2025 10:42

LudvillasCave · 02/05/2025 10:38

Incoherent and bad faith.

It's what you said 🤷‍♀️

Whatsinanamehey · 02/05/2025 10:41

Whatsinanamehey · 02/05/2025 09:57

Fwiw, I have family friends living in the occupied west bank and they said no matter how bad it gets they will not leave. They know the end goal of the settlers is to harass them so much that in the end they have no choice but to leave so they can take over the land. It's a very difficult life.

For anyone who is actually interested about the documentary and how Palestinians are treated in the west bank then the check points are a nightmare. You have a doctors appointment that should be a 20 minute journey but you have to leave a couple of hours in advance because you don't know which IDF soldiers is going to be at the checkpoint that day and some of them will hold you up for hours for no reason given except they are in a bad mood that day or they get a kick out of it.

PollyPaintsFlowers · 02/05/2025 10:41

LudvillasCave · 02/05/2025 10:28

I’ve already responded to this question just a few posts up, which you’ve ignored:

”Describing a group of men who are jewish and who are mobbing and attacking a young woman as behaving in a feral way is a completely different statement to saying ‘jews are feral’.

Which if you have more than 2 brain cells doesn’t need pointing out.

Trying to weaponise that statement to misrepresent, discredit and demonise someone whose posts you don’t like is pretty sinister.”

Earlier today you stated:

”Palestinians in the West Bank stab their babies in their cots and mow children down at bus stop”

This is an example of demonising a group of people. By contrast, it wasn’t necessary to paraphrase your post.

I credit MNers with enough sense to know that just because it was Palestinians that did those things not all Palestinians are like that. Just like all the Israeli settlers aren't like the ones in the LT programme

Whatsinanamehey · 02/05/2025 10:38

Twiglets1 · 02/05/2025 10:35

At 9.17 today you responded to @PollyPaintsFlowers saying “No one is talking about people being better than others, show me where that’s been said if so”.

You replied “You did!”

I'm done with this. If you don't believe me that the poster did say that then that's fine. I'm not arguing over it anymore.

LudvillasCave · 02/05/2025 10:38

PollyPaintsFlowers · 02/05/2025 10:36

A group of Jewish men were described as feral and it's somehow my fault? 😂

Incoherent and bad faith.

LudvillasCave · 02/05/2025 10:37

LudvillasCave · 02/05/2025 10:33

Sorry, because this specific group of men who were mobbing and attacking a young woman were jewish men, any negative characterisation of their behaviour equates to antisemitism?

Your repeated, relentless contention throughout these threads that Palestinian solidarity protesters are violent and aggressive towards counter-protesters is largely why such behaviour by these counter-protesters was highlighted.

And as on other threads, you are again attempting to derail the thread from the topic – Lewis Theroux’s documentary on Settlers – to focus instead on your prejudice against Palestinian solidarity protesters.

PollyPaintsFlowers · 02/05/2025 10:36

LudvillasCave · 02/05/2025 10:33

Sorry, because this specific group of men who were mobbing and attacking a young woman were jewish men, any negative characterisation of their behaviour equates to antisemitism?

Your repeated, relentless contention throughout these threads that Palestinian solidarity protesters are violent and aggressive towards counter-protesters is largely why such behaviour by these counter-protesters was highlighted.

A group of Jewish men were described as feral and it's somehow my fault? 😂

Twiglets1 · 02/05/2025 10:35

Whatsinanamehey · 02/05/2025 10:30

Incase you missed it already which it seems like you have from your replies @Twiglets1

At 9.17 today you responded to @PollyPaintsFlowers saying “No one is talking about people being better than others, show me where that’s been said if so”.

You replied “You did!”

BelleHathor · 02/05/2025 10:34

Nads0622 · 02/05/2025 09:27

this thread is about the documentary and when it was filmed he very much was a minister

He is still a minister, the resignation appeared orchestrated. Smotrich returned to the government a few days later.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/smotrich-reverses-resignation-as-pm-helps-patch-rift-among-his-far-right-partners/

Whatsinanamehey · 02/05/2025 10:33

And the poster clearly did say what's wrong with saying they are better than Palestinians and then followed it up with examples to prove why. If you all think that's ok to do then I have nothing left to say.

LudvillasCave · 02/05/2025 10:33

PollyPaintsFlowers · 02/05/2025 10:26

They were referring to a group of Jewish men.

Honestly, the way Pro-Palestinians will try and twist themselves to find dismissals or excuses they could be contortion artists 😂

Sorry, because this specific group of men who were mobbing and attacking a young woman were jewish men, any negative characterisation of their behaviour equates to antisemitism?

Your repeated, relentless contention throughout these threads that Palestinian solidarity protesters are violent and aggressive towards counter-protesters is largely why such behaviour by these counter-protesters was highlighted.

Whatsinanamehey · 02/05/2025 10:30

Whatsinanamehey · 02/05/2025 10:19

I wasn't talking about your post here polly, stop assuming incorrectly once again! it's Old Skull's post that I was responding to which twiglet responded to my response.

Edited

Incase you missed it already which it seems like you have from your replies @Twiglets1

Twiglets1 · 02/05/2025 10:29

Whatsinanamehey · 02/05/2025 10:26

How would you know when they only have one post on this thread?

The post that was deleted was by @PollyPaintsFlowers so what are you talking about?

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