Hamas has formally rejected the latest ceasefire proposal

Is it a pariah state? I thought people were complaining that western governments were supporting them, which is it?

There's still massive investment in Israel and it's a world leader in medicine and technology

Tourism has obviously taken a hit, not many people are going to Ukraine on holiday either right now

Israel will be fine. Netanyahu will be out at the next election. Meanwhile in Gaza they're stuck with Hamas who have refused elections since they were voted in in 2006

Hamas have lost and now their own people are turning against them telling them to go. They're holding on to power by violence and killing people, nothing else

Ha! As if Israel will ever allow a Palestinian state. Netanyahu only just told off Macron for suggesting France could recognise Palestine as a state.

That sounds perfect.

Do you think Netanyahu and his cabinet with members such as Ben Gvir and Smotrich will agree to the complete withdrawal from Palestine and allow a two state solution to unfold.

I don't see any winners here.

Not great, not great for Israel either though as it has become a pariah state that will for a long time be remembered as the country who killed thousands and thousands of innocent children.

How's the current situation working out for them?

Just like Germany lost the war after WW2, Hamas can disarm, de-Nazify itself by accepting Israel exists and get rid of their commitment to wipe it out, and then, like the Marshall Plan, with western help they can rebuild and a two state solution can be reached

Stubbornly refusing to accept the existence of Israel and starting wars they cannot win isn't getting them anywhere. For the sake of themselves and the people Hamas govern they need to change tack

What does surrender look like to you?

Why? So that Israel can then carry out Trump's plan with ease as they have already said they will? And ethnically cleanse the Palestinians from Gaza?

So they can surrender like Germany, Italy and Japan did. Why are they hanging on well after they've lost the war and their people are turning against them?

It would be good if more Palestinians turned against Hamas but I don't think that will in turn make them any more friendly towards Israel when the IDF are still murdering their sleeping children in tents.

Aid should never be used as bargaining chips and neither should hostages.

You do realise that you don't need a ceasefire to get humanitarian aid into Gaza? Not allowing aid in is collective punishment of the population as a whole, which should be strongly condemned whichever side of the fence you sit on.

Why can't Israel just stop firing at them?
It doesn't be seem to be achieving anything except more misery.

Still better to have a ceasefire than not to have one. At least it’s an opportunity to get some humanitarian aid through.

What are Hamas gaining by not agreeing to it? Just makes it more likely their own people will turn against them (which could be a good thing in my opinion since Hamas aren’t doing them any favours).

Yes, I think so but the same thing was promised last time and Israel backed out of the phase that would have seen an end to the war, so I don't see them agreeing to it this time either.

I'm just worried for the hostages. I think from a war point of view, Israel's strategy has weakened Hamas further but Hamas don't care about their own civilians so I think the hostages are now at even more risk. And I'm sending love and hope to the Palestinians standing up to Hamas, I hope they are successful and safe as well.

Brave Gazans risking their lives to bring down Hamas

Isn’t it better to agree a 45 day temporary ceasefire though while continuing negotiations towards a permanent ceasefire?

"Israel had proposed a 45-day truce in Gaza to allow hostage releases and potentially begin indirect talks to end the war. Hamas has already rejected one of its conditions - that it lay down its arms. In his speech, Hayya accused Israel of offering a counterproposal with "impossible conditions.""

From the story you posted.. Hamas don't want to lay down arms. So a permanent ceasefire with them keeping their arms 🙄 what could possibly go wrong

They want a permanent ceasefire. Not a truce that will see continuous fighting once it ends. Israel does not want to end the war so will not agree to a permanent ceasefire.

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/hamas-is-ready-release-all-remaining-hostages-return-an-end-gaza-war-hamas-gaza-2025-04-17/

No surprise that hamas don't want a ceasefire.

I understand where you are coming from, it's not that I agree why they wouldn't I am just trying to get into their mindset.

Such a pity they are at the negotiating table and not a moderate skilled political party with the best interests of civilians at heart

I read the same thing:

Palestinian terror group Hamas does not have enough cash to pay its fighters, with resources drying up as a result of Israel renewing its offensive in the Gaza Strip last month and halting humanitarian aid deliveries, the Wall Street Journal reported Wednesday, citing Israeli, Arab and Western officials.

According to Arab intelligence officials, salaries to many Hamas government workers have stopped, and since last month, many senior operatives and political figures have only gotten about half their usual pay. Rank-and-file Hamas operatives have been getting only about $200-$300 a month.

Moumen Al-Natour, a Palestinian lawyer from the Al-Shati camp in central Gaza, told the Journal that Hamas has “a big crisis” on its hands.
“They were mainly dependent on humanitarian aid sold in black markets for cash,” explained Al-Natour, who has opposed the Hamas regime.

Throughout the war, Hamas had been taking aid supplies and selling them to raise money, according to Israeli, Arab, and Western officials, none of whom were named in the report. The group charged taxes from merchants, collected customs at checkpoints, and seized goods that it then resold.

By the time a January ceasefire started, Hamas was in a crisis, but the truce brought in more aid, reviving its finances, officials said. But when the ceasefire collapsed in March, Israel halted aid deliveries and resumed its attacks on Hamas, deepening the group’s plight.

The Israeli offensive has targeted Hamas officials who were involved in distributing cash to members, while others have gone into hiding, Arab intelligence officials told the newspaper.

www.timesofisrael.com/cash-strapped-hamas-cant-pay-fighters-as-israeli-offensive-hits-funding-sources-report/

Their power is weakening by the day.

I read yesterday that Hamas are struggling to pay their fighters.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/cash-strapped-hamas-cant-pay-fighters-as-israeli-offensive-hits-funding-sources-report/amp/

Looks like one of the ways to raise money for them used to be seizing and selling aid supplies.