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OhCalmTheFuckDownMargaret · 01/07/2025 12:32

marmaladeandpeanutbutter · 01/07/2025 11:34

The chief rabbi has been commenting about our national shame. I don’t think that some of the remarks made at Glastonbury were all that bright, but this is what national shame looks like https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/jul/01/gaza-israel-iran-war-idf?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

Quite. Conveniently ignoring the ‘national shame’ in his own back yard.

Twiglets1 · 01/07/2025 10:08

Whatsinanamehey · 01/07/2025 09:27

It is possible that a Hamas member was there, I'm not disputing that possibility. However, I don't believe striking the cafe filled with families including young children to take out one Hamas member is justified. There was dozens of deaths and injuries.

Neither do I.

Just sharing the information I read about why the IDF targeted it because it appears that some of the theories being discussed were wrong.

Seventree · 01/07/2025 09:44

Missey85 · 15/04/2025 13:20

Exactly they started it by kidnapping all those people Israel are just paying them back maybe if they let the hostages go none of this would have continued

Are you completely lacking in empathy? Hamas carried out a heartbreaking and disgusting act of terror. That's not up for debate. Their actions were absolutely indefensible.

But Palestinian civilians, especially children, are not culpable for the actions of their corrupt government. How do you propose that normal people, let alone little children, go about freeing hostages?

If you are ok with Israel 'paying them back' by indiscriminately killing and starving powerless civilians, then there is something fundamentally wrong with you.

Would it be ok if thousands of innocent Israeli children were bombed to 'pay back' the Israeli government?

OhCalmTheFuckDownMargaret · 01/07/2025 09:32

Whatsinanamehey · 01/07/2025 09:29

I believe there has been backlash after the strike that killed so many innocent people that the IDF are now 'reviewing' it.

It was a massacre,” he tells AFP. “I saw bits of bodies flying everywhere, bodies mangled and burned. It was a bloodcurdling scene; everybody was screaming.”

https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/idf-says-reviewing-deadly-strike-on-seafront-gaza-internet-cafe/

Well that’s good to hear. At least the IDF can now investigate themselves and clear themselves of any wrongdoing 🙄

Whatsinanamehey · 01/07/2025 09:30

I'm not going to post or link scenes of the aftermath, it was one of the most horrifying scenes i have seen in this terrible war.

Whatsinanamehey · 01/07/2025 09:29

I believe there has been backlash after the strike that killed so many innocent people that the IDF are now 'reviewing' it.

It was a massacre,” he tells AFP. “I saw bits of bodies flying everywhere, bodies mangled and burned. It was a bloodcurdling scene; everybody was screaming.”

https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/idf-says-reviewing-deadly-strike-on-seafront-gaza-internet-cafe/

Whatsinanamehey · 01/07/2025 09:27

Twiglets1 · 01/07/2025 08:03

Hasham Mansour was his name, the son of a former Hamas military commander already killed by the IDF ( reported in Israeli sources & the Telegraph).

It is possible that a Hamas member was there, I'm not disputing that possibility. However, I don't believe striking the cafe filled with families including young children to take out one Hamas member is justified. There was dozens of deaths and injuries.

Twiglets1 · 01/07/2025 08:41

ComeAsYouAreAsAFriend · 01/07/2025 08:23

Well I certainly expressed it and saw others too. Just because you didn't see it doesn't mean it wasn't there. Not sure why you have an assumption that posters don't care for Israeli lives? You obviously have some preconceived ideas about people which is blurring your judgement

Maybe I have some preconceived ideas but no more than pro Palestinian people who have often expressed that pro Israel people lack empathy, lack compassion, lack humanity etc.

Most of us have equally said that we feel sorry for all innocent civilians caught up in the war including Palestinian civilians but assumptions seem to be made that these thoughts are not genuine.

ComeAsYouAreAsAFriend · 01/07/2025 08:23

Twiglets1 · 01/07/2025 08:05

No I didn’t see any genuine empathy when Israeli citizens got killed tbh.

Well I certainly expressed it and saw others too. Just because you didn't see it doesn't mean it wasn't there. Not sure why you have an assumption that posters don't care for Israeli lives? You obviously have some preconceived ideas about people which is blurring your judgement

Whatsinanamehey · 01/07/2025 08:17

ComeAsYouAreAsAFriend · 30/06/2025 21:36

https://www.msf.org/open-letter-european-leaders
Strong words. Does anyone know if there was any response?

The war in Gaza has been allowed to become one of the most egregious, deadly and ruthless wars waged on a people. Gaza’s homes, hospitals, markets, water networks, roads, and power grids have all been demolished by Israeli forces, not by disregard but by design. What we are witnessing is the calculated evisceration of the very systems that sustain life. It is ethnic cleansing, wrapped in the rhetoric of security defence, but executed with complete disregard for International Humanitarian and Human Rights Laws.

Daily atrocities in Gaza are not unfolding in the shadows. They are occurring before our eyes. They are brazen in their brutality.
For more than 20 months, Israeli authorities and forces have inflicted a punishing campaign against Palestinians in Gaza. On a daily basis Médecins Sans Frontières (MSF) teams witness patterns consistent with genocide through deliberate actions by Israeli forces – including mass killings, the destruction of vital civilian infrastructure, and blockades choking off access to food, water, medicines, and other essential humanitarian supplies. Israel is systematically destroying the conditions necessary for Palestinian life.

I did read the letter when it was published but I haven't seen any response to it.

Whatsinanamehey · 01/07/2025 08:17

Tuesday's joint statement from some of the world's biggest charities says the foundation is violating all norms of humanitarian work, including by forcing two million people into overcrowded and militarized zones where they face daily gunfire.

"Today, Palestinians in Gaza face an impossible choice: starve or risk being shot while trying desperately to reach food to feed their families," the statement says.
"Orphaned children and caregivers are among the dead, with children harmed in over half of the attacks on civilians at these sites."

Whatsinanamehey · 01/07/2025 08:15

This is somber reading. 130 charities have called for an end to the inhumane GHF system. They only operate under four sites; three in the south and one in central Gaza. Previously there used to be 400 sites throughout Gaza.

Since the new system started in May, more than 500 people have been killed and more than 4,000 injured.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cn5kk1w00xyo.amp

A Palestinian man and boy in the foreground look upset and make the 'peace' sign while carrying aid, including a box branded "GHF" for the Gaza Humanitarian Foundation.

Israeli, US-backed Gaza aid group must end, say 130 charities - BBC News

The call from some of the world's top aid organisations and charities comes after reports of soldiers killing hundreds of of Palestinians at aid sites.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cn5kk1w00xyo.amp

Twiglets1 · 01/07/2025 08:05

ComeAsYouAreAsAFriend · 30/06/2025 19:25

Most of us understand a bit better that people get killed in wars.
Seriously you can justify it all you like I don't see a war I see a genocide.

And did you notice majority of posters including pro Palestinian posters were able to empathise with those killed in Israel from Iranian borders. We're on the side of humanity

Edited

No I didn’t see any genuine empathy when Israeli citizens got killed tbh.

Twiglets1 · 01/07/2025 08:03

Twiglets1 · 01/07/2025 07:55

They targeted it because they had intelligence the son of a Hamas leader was there and they killed him.

Hasham Mansour was his name, the son of a former Hamas military commander already killed by the IDF ( reported in Israeli sources & the Telegraph).

Twiglets1 · 01/07/2025 07:55

They targeted it because they had intelligence the son of a Hamas leader was there and they killed him.

ComeAsYouAreAsAFriend · 01/07/2025 07:53

Martymcfly24 · 30/06/2025 23:16

Journalists gathered here as it was one of the few places with electric and internet so they used it to send off their reports.

its almost like they targeted the place because the truth about their evil crimes might get out?? But then they would also be targeting civilians and we have been told repeatedly they don't do that.

its almost like they targeted the place because the truth about their evil crimes might get out??

Yes it is pretty obvious why they targeted it

Martymcfly24 · 30/06/2025 23:16

ComeAsYouAreAsAFriend · 30/06/2025 16:52

Journalists gathered here as it was one of the few places with electric and internet so they used it to send off their reports.

its almost like they targeted the place because the truth about their evil crimes might get out?? But then they would also be targeting civilians and we have been told repeatedly they don't do that.

OhCalmTheFuckDownMargaret · 30/06/2025 21:42

Twiglets1 · 30/06/2025 17:22

It's because the Iran military don't make a habit of hiding out in civilian buildings or underneath them, unlike Hamas.

So the IDF can kill the actual military targets without so much civilian death.

To be honest that one is wearing so thin now it’s impossible to believe anymore. There’s never been any proof to substantiate it either.

ComeAsYouAreAsAFriend · 30/06/2025 21:39

Whatsinanamehey · 30/06/2025 21:09

Over 90,000 women and children in Gaza are in dire need of treatment for malnutrition. This is the direct impact of the blockade, aswell as the failed GHF system that does not cater for the whole population of Gaza.

And has resulted in the deaths of hundreds of Palestinians that it does cater for, as they are routinely shot and killed by the IDF whilst trying to reach the GHF aid centres.

It's calculated to break them down ensuring their existence is unbearable

ComeAsYouAreAsAFriend · 30/06/2025 21:36

https://www.msf.org/open-letter-european-leaders
Strong words. Does anyone know if there was any response?

The war in Gaza has been allowed to become one of the most egregious, deadly and ruthless wars waged on a people. Gaza’s homes, hospitals, markets, water networks, roads, and power grids have all been demolished by Israeli forces, not by disregard but by design. What we are witnessing is the calculated evisceration of the very systems that sustain life. It is ethnic cleansing, wrapped in the rhetoric of security defence, but executed with complete disregard for International Humanitarian and Human Rights Laws.

Daily atrocities in Gaza are not unfolding in the shadows. They are occurring before our eyes. They are brazen in their brutality.
For more than 20 months, Israeli authorities and forces have inflicted a punishing campaign against Palestinians in Gaza. On a daily basis Médecins Sans Frontières (MSF) teams witness patterns consistent with genocide through deliberate actions by Israeli forces – including mass killings, the destruction of vital civilian infrastructure, and blockades choking off access to food, water, medicines, and other essential humanitarian supplies. Israel is systematically destroying the conditions necessary for Palestinian life.

Whatsinanamehey · 30/06/2025 21:09

Over 90,000 women and children in Gaza are in dire need of treatment for malnutrition. This is the direct impact of the blockade, aswell as the failed GHF system that does not cater for the whole population of Gaza.

And has resulted in the deaths of hundreds of Palestinians that it does cater for, as they are routinely shot and killed by the IDF whilst trying to reach the GHF aid centres.

Whatsinanamehey · 30/06/2025 21:06

Yesterday the IDF ordered over a 150,000 people to evacuate at a moments notice. From the north and central Gaza to head south. The south is already over crowded from the residents there aswell as others who have previously evacuated there. These orders are not only unreasonable but inhumane.

Roughly 150,000 people are impacted by yesterday’s IDF evacuation order alone, including families staying at dozens of shelters for already displaced civilians, UN spokesperson Stephane Dujarric says during a briefing.
“People are being pushed into overcrowded areas where thousands of others are already staying. These spaces lack shelter, they lack water and they lack sewage systems, not to mention medical facilities,” he says.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/un-slams-latest-israeli-evacuation-orders-says-safe-zones-cant-house-that-many-gazans/

ComeAsYouAreAsAFriend · 30/06/2025 21:00

Twiglets1 · 30/06/2025 19:54

People whose views I don’t respect.

I'll take that as a compliment I'd be worried if you did.