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PollyPaintsFlowers · 20/04/2025 14:37

SugarandSpiceandAllThingsNaice · 20/04/2025 14:36

I read the article, it is bollocks written by a propagandist that has no idea as to how the forensic id process works.

What are your credentials?

PollyPaintsFlowers · 20/04/2025 14:37

SugarandSpiceandAllThingsNaice · 20/04/2025 14:37

There are as you already know.

No, I don't. Show me

SugarandSpiceandAllThingsNaice · 20/04/2025 14:37

PollyPaintsFlowers · 20/04/2025 14:36

So there'll be photos on the net? Can you share them? What did they say?

There are as you already know.

SugarandSpiceandAllThingsNaice · 20/04/2025 14:36

PollyPaintsFlowers · 20/04/2025 14:33

No, the deaths didn't happen. It's exactly as it said, try reading the actual article.

They made the figures up. As in the case of one guy who was listed as a casualty then two months later was listed in hospital records as receiving cancer treatment 😂

I read the article, it is bollocks written by a propagandist that has no idea as to how the forensic id process works.

PollyPaintsFlowers · 20/04/2025 14:36

SugarandSpiceandAllThingsNaice · 20/04/2025 14:35

I’ve seen hundreds.

So there'll be photos on the net? Can you share them? What did they say?

PollyPaintsFlowers · 20/04/2025 14:36

SugarandSpiceandAllThingsNaice · 20/04/2025 14:27

Zionist entity refers to the political parties in power that are ultranationalist and intent on ethnically cleansing Palestinians from their lands. ‘Entity” always refers to a group of people, not land or territory,

Oh please. You're trying to treat people like idiots now in your contortions to try and whitewash how genocidal Hamas are

SugarandSpiceandAllThingsNaice · 20/04/2025 14:35

PollyPaintsFlowers · 20/04/2025 14:34

Well if you saw any placards condemning Hamas and telling them to go then do let me know

I’ve seen hundreds.

SugarandSpiceandAllThingsNaice · 20/04/2025 14:35

PollyPaintsFlowers · 20/04/2025 14:31

@SugarandSpiceandAllThingsNaicethis is from Hamas' 2017 charter claiming all of Israel is Palestine. It doesn't recognise Israel at all. That is what one state from the river to the sea means

Also this

The Palestinian political system:
27. A real state of Palestine is a state that has been liberated. There is no alternative to a fully sovereign Palestinian State on the entire national Palestinian soil, with Jerusalem as its capital

Hamas doesn't recognise Israel within any borders

Article 20 defines the borders:
”However, without compromising its rejection of the Zionist entity and without relinquishing any Palestinian rights, Hamas considers the establishment of a fully sovereign and independent Palestinian state, with Jerusalem as its capital along the lines of the 4th of June 1967, with the return of the refugees and the displaced to their homes from which they were expelled, to be a formula of national consensus”

see: https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/hamas-2017-document-full.
So Israel still exists, they just refuse to acknowledge a Zionist government for as long as it rules Israel.

PollyPaintsFlowers · 20/04/2025 14:34

SugarandSpiceandAllThingsNaice · 20/04/2025 14:29

And yet you know with 100% certainty that the millions of people who protested for peace up until you decided to do the same were all proHamas hate marchers and don’t count as really supporting Palestinians like you do.

Well if you saw any placards condemning Hamas and telling them to go then do let me know

PollyPaintsFlowers · 20/04/2025 14:33

SugarandSpiceandAllThingsNaice · 20/04/2025 14:25

He is incorrect. Fully identified deaths are where a body has been matched to an identity- name of a person. Dropping some names doesn’t mean numbers or deaths were “falsified”. It merely means some bodies were not correctly identified. The bodies/deaths still happened.

No, the deaths didn't happen. It's exactly as it said, try reading the actual article.

They made the figures up. As in the case of one guy who was listed as a casualty then two months later was listed in hospital records as receiving cancer treatment 😂

SugarandSpiceandAllThingsNaice · 20/04/2025 14:32

No, Hamas figures only say the number of people killed, they do not claim they are 100% civilians. Read any report by any agency and it says “Hamas do not distinguish between combatants and civilians”

This means they just say #s killed. They don’t say # civilians killed.

Just like the Oct 7th death toll says # killed and doesn’t break down the #s that were IDF vs the #s that were civilians.

PollyPaintsFlowers · 20/04/2025 14:31

@SugarandSpiceandAllThingsNaicethis is from Hamas' 2017 charter claiming all of Israel is Palestine. It doesn't recognise Israel at all. That is what one state from the river to the sea means

Also this

The Palestinian political system:
27. A real state of Palestine is a state that has been liberated. There is no alternative to a fully sovereign Palestinian State on the entire national Palestinian soil, with Jerusalem as its capital

Hamas doesn't recognise Israel within any borders

This is the reality of what Israel is doing (part 6)
SugarandSpiceandAllThingsNaice · 20/04/2025 14:29

PollyPaintsFlowers · 20/04/2025 13:53

@Mylegishangingoff oh and 'millions and millions of people' have not been polled, that's just hyperbole

And yet you know with 100% certainty that the millions of people who protested for peace up until you decided to do the same were all proHamas hate marchers and don’t count as really supporting Palestinians like you do.

SugarandSpiceandAllThingsNaice · 20/04/2025 14:27

PollyPaintsFlowers · 20/04/2025 14:24

No? What part of Israel is it then? Is Israel only partly 'zionist'? Which part?

Zionist entity refers to the political parties in power that are ultranationalist and intent on ethnically cleansing Palestinians from their lands. ‘Entity” always refers to a group of people, not land or territory,

SugarandSpiceandAllThingsNaice · 20/04/2025 14:25

PollyPaintsFlowers · 20/04/2025 14:22

ahem

“Hamas’s new March 2025 fatality list quietly drops 3,400 fully “identified” deaths listed in its August and October 2024 reports – including 1,080 children. These “deaths” never happened. The numbers were falsified – again,” Mr Aizenberg wrote.

He is incorrect. Fully identified deaths are where a body has been matched to an identity- name of a person. Dropping some names doesn’t mean numbers or deaths were “falsified”. It merely means some bodies were not correctly identified. The bodies/deaths still happened.

PollyPaintsFlowers · 20/04/2025 14:24

SugarandSpiceandAllThingsNaice · 20/04/2025 14:23

The “Zionist entity” isn’t all of Israel. Explain then, how a charter calling for the 1967 borders between two states of Israel and Palestine is calling for one state?

No? What part of Israel is it then? Is Israel only partly 'zionist'? Which part?

SugarandSpiceandAllThingsNaice · 20/04/2025 14:23

PollyPaintsFlowers · 20/04/2025 14:20

No it doesn't. It explicitly states they don't recognise the 'Zionist entity'

The “Zionist entity” isn’t all of Israel. Explain then, how a charter calling for the 1967 borders between two states of Israel and Palestine is calling for one state?

PollyPaintsFlowers · 20/04/2025 14:22

SugarandSpiceandAllThingsNaice · 20/04/2025 14:21

No, the number of dead has not decreased, this report is just referring to the fact that some bodies were initially misidentified and so they had to correct the identity (names) for some of the bodies, which is 100% unsurprising as it happens in every war and every mass casualty event.

ahem

“Hamas’s new March 2025 fatality list quietly drops 3,400 fully “identified” deaths listed in its August and October 2024 reports – including 1,080 children. These “deaths” never happened. The numbers were falsified – again,” Mr Aizenberg wrote.

PollyPaintsFlowers · 20/04/2025 14:21

SugarandSpiceandAllThingsNaice · 20/04/2025 14:19

They don’t. Their figures do not distinguish between the two.

Exactly. Hamas class all casualties as civilians. Except they're not, most of them are combatants, but it suits their propaganda and manipulation to say 50,000 were killed

SugarandSpiceandAllThingsNaice · 20/04/2025 14:21

PollyPaintsFlowers · 20/04/2025 14:19

@SugarandSpiceandAllThingsNaiceand your figures are out of date. Those 'doctors' you mentioned were wrong

dHamas drops thousands of deaths from casualty figures

No, the number of dead has not decreased, this report is just referring to the fact that some bodies were initially misidentified and so they had to correct the identity (names) for some of the bodies, which is 100% unsurprising as it happens in every war and every mass casualty event.

PollyPaintsFlowers · 20/04/2025 14:20

SugarandSpiceandAllThingsNaice · 20/04/2025 14:18

Their current charter recognises the 1967 borders between two states.

No it doesn't. It explicitly states they don't recognise the 'Zionist entity'

SugarandSpiceandAllThingsNaice · 20/04/2025 14:19

PollyPaintsFlowers · 20/04/2025 14:12

It's nothing to do with the IDF, Hamas know who their combatants are, why don't they release those figures? Why do they describe everyone as civilians?

They don’t. Their figures do not distinguish between the two.

SugarandSpiceandAllThingsNaice · 20/04/2025 14:18

PollyPaintsFlowers · 20/04/2025 14:16

When I see hate marchers holding placards condemning Hamas for the evil they're committing upon innocent Palestinians I'll gladly join you

As for the river to the sea being lifted from Likud, why aren't there any banners or chants for two states? Why only for one state? Which happens to be exactly what Hamas is calling for when they state from the river to the sea in their charter. How coincidental.

Stop with the gaslighting

Their current charter recognises the 1967 borders between two states.

SugarandSpiceandAllThingsNaice · 20/04/2025 14:17

PollyPaintsFlowers · 20/04/2025 14:12

It's nothing to do with the IDF, Hamas know who their combatants are, why don't they release those figures? Why do they describe everyone as civilians?

Probably because Israel did the same with the Oct 7th casualty list?