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Twiglets1 · 06/05/2025 06:32

SpiritAdder · 05/05/2025 21:52

No. Israel should not be blocking humanitarian aid. It is a war crime to weaponise humanitarian aid for the collective punishment of civilians.

Netanyahu also signed the dotted line on the January phased ceasefire that he then proceeded to break without cause in March. His government has also been violating the ceasefire with Lebanon DAILY since November.

Why would any leader (terrorist or not) trust a throwaway promise he says on TV when he can’t even uphold his end of any formal bargain?

I know Netanyahu shouldn’t be blocking international aid!

But he is. If Hamas released the hostages & Netanyahu still didn’t fulfil his side of the bargain by resuming international aid there would be such an outcry around the world. Wouldn’t that help the Palestinian cause more than Hamas holding into the hostages for seemingly no benefit just spite?

mouthpipette · 05/05/2025 22:31

His government has also been violating the ceasefire with Lebanon DAILY since November. @SpiritAdder

They've also been bombing Syria over the past week, but what the heck... who's going to complain ?

BelleHathor · 05/05/2025 22:19

In the last 48 hours they've also bombed Syria and Lebanon. 4 countries.

It appears that any agreement (Lebanon and Syria both have agreements with Israel) is not worth the paper it's written on.

In the future, when atrocities occur every country will follow this blueprint. Just last week India was saying "it has the right to defend itself" during the flair up with Pakistan.

SpiritAdder · 05/05/2025 21:52

Twiglets1 · 05/05/2025 21:44

@ScrollingLeaves you ask Why would Hamas give anything up?

But Netanyahu has pledged to resume international aid into Gaza if the hostages are released. That is why Hamas should do it!

I feel like both sides are just refusing to back down because they don’t want to lose face. Both are saying why should I show weakness by giving in first? Meanwhile, there is a humanitarian crisis getting worse by the day.

The side that cares most should do anything to rescue the civilians of Gaza. I’m afraid it’s looking very much like neither side cares about them.

No. Israel should not be blocking humanitarian aid. It is a war crime to weaponise humanitarian aid for the collective punishment of civilians.

Netanyahu also signed the dotted line on the January phased ceasefire that he then proceeded to break without cause in March. His government has also been violating the ceasefire with Lebanon DAILY since November.

Why would any leader (terrorist or not) trust a throwaway promise he says on TV when he can’t even uphold his end of any formal bargain?

Twiglets1 · 05/05/2025 21:44

@ScrollingLeaves you ask Why would Hamas give anything up?

But Netanyahu has pledged to resume international aid into Gaza if the hostages are released. That is why Hamas should do it!

I feel like both sides are just refusing to back down because they don’t want to lose face. Both are saying why should I show weakness by giving in first? Meanwhile, there is a humanitarian crisis getting worse by the day.

The side that cares most should do anything to rescue the civilians of Gaza. I’m afraid it’s looking very much like neither side cares about them.

SpiritAdder · 05/05/2025 21:34

MissyB1 · 05/05/2025 21:24

Dh and I immediately said it will basically be a concentration camp. The prisoners in the camp (because that's what they will be) will die of malnutrition and disease. It beggars belief that this is being planned.

It fits the definition of a concentration camp akin to the British camps in S Africa.
https://www.warhistoryonline.com/history/concentration-camps-anglo-boer.html

MissyB1 · 05/05/2025 21:24

BelleHathor · 05/05/2025 20:15

It's an internment camp for the Gazan population, operated and controlled by their occupiers/colonisers.

The Israeli government is continuing on the fast track down the road of ruin. The karmic payback for their actions are going to be immense.

Dh and I immediately said it will basically be a concentration camp. The prisoners in the camp (because that's what they will be) will die of malnutrition and disease. It beggars belief that this is being planned.

Martymcfly24 · 05/05/2025 21:16

ScrollingLeaves · 05/05/2025 21:03

I am not sure if does mean no aid being moved in till after the visit. I just do not know.

Hopefully it doesn't because the situation is urgent as Dr Michael Ryan from WHO said it is "breaking the bodies and minds of children"

ScrollingLeaves · 05/05/2025 21:03

Martymcfly24 · 05/05/2025 20:52

A senior security official said that the expanded operation in Gaza will not begin until after U.S. President Trump's mid-May visit to the Middle East, and will only be implemented if no hostage deal is reached by then. The official added that the delivery of humanitarian aid will be restored only after the operation begins.

@ScrollingLeaves

This part really worries me. Does this mean there will be no plan for aid moving in until mid May at least.

The situation is currently critical, no food or medical support have entered the region since the 2nd of March.

There will be no Gazans left to move in a few weeks if this continues.

I am not sure if does mean no aid being moved in till after the visit. I just do not know.

SpiritAdder · 05/05/2025 20:55

So many children are already starving. I hate how the media is calling it “malnutrition” these are children wasted away to stick thin skin and bones.

I don’t see how this child could even walk, much less be displaced yet again miles south to another camp.

The saddest thing is that just a 15min drive away are thousands of trucks with food, water, medicine.

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This is the reality of what Israel is doing (part 6)
Martymcfly24 · 05/05/2025 20:52

A senior security official said that the expanded operation in Gaza will not begin until after U.S. President Trump's mid-May visit to the Middle East, and will only be implemented if no hostage deal is reached by then. The official added that the delivery of humanitarian aid will be restored only after the operation begins.

@ScrollingLeaves

This part really worries me. Does this mean there will be no plan for aid moving in until mid May at least.

The situation is currently critical, no food or medical support have entered the region since the 2nd of March.

There will be no Gazans left to move in a few weeks if this continues.

BelleHathor · 05/05/2025 20:15

It's an internment camp for the Gazan population, operated and controlled by their occupiers/colonisers.

The Israeli government is continuing on the fast track down the road of ruin. The karmic payback for their actions are going to be immense.

ScrollingLeaves · 05/05/2025 20:01

Martymcfly24 · 05/05/2025 17:49

https://www.thejournal.ie/israel-gaza-conquest-plan-6696110-May2025/

Tens of thousands of reservists soldiers called up and a plan to capture and occupy the strip..this is very worrying.

It is worrying.

They are planning on moving the Palestinians south where they will be pushed up against the IDF bombed and bulldozed stolen land there that is now an Israeli made buffer zone. The Palestinians who make it there yet again ( if they agree to go considering last time they followed orders to go there many were bombed) will be closed in and encircled by military terrorists. There were be military occupation and no doubt creeping Israeli settlements eventually.

If this goes ahead why would Hamas give anything up? They would probably think they will go on to their deaths rather than surrender as there would be nothing to lose.

From Haaretz brief today:

  • The plan includes relocating Gaza's population to the south of the enclave, an Israeli official said, claiming that Netanyahu has made clear that this plan differs from previous ones in that it moves from raid-based operations to "the occupation of territory and a sustained Israeli presence in Gaza."
  • Later on Monday, Netanyahu said in a video posted on X that the cabinet "decided on a forceful operation in Gaza," adding, "that was the recommendation of the IDF Chief of Staff, to destroy Hamas. And along the way, he thinks it will help us rescue the hostages, and I agree with him." However, on Sunday night it was reported by Channel 13 News that IDF Chief of Staff Eyal Zamir told the cabinet that "in a plan for a full maneuver [in Gaza] we won't necessarily get to the hostages. Take into consideration that we could lose them."
  • A senior security official said that the expanded operation in Gaza will not begin until after U.S. President Trump's mid-May visit to the Middle East, and will only be implemented if no hostage deal is reached by then. The official added that the delivery of humanitarian aid will be restored only after the operation begins.
  • Far-right Finance Minister Bezalel Smotrich said on Monday that the cabinet has decided Israel will not retreat from occupied territories in Gaza, "not even in exchange for hostages." Speaking at a conference in Jerusalem, Smotrich said that Israel is "occupying Gaza to stay – No more entering and exiting.This is a war for victory."
"There is a painful truth at the heart of this war: Israel's military campaign, while degrading Hamas' military capabilities, is also devastating the lives of ordinary Palestinians. If there is to be any hope of ending this war without planting the seeds of the next generation's extremists, the strategy must change" – Lieutenant Colonel (Res.) Peter Lerner

■ HOSTAGES/CEASE-FIRE: The Hostages and Missing Families Forum said that the plan approved by the cabinet for further operations in Gaza should be named the "Smotrich-Netanyahu plan" to "give up on the hostages and Israel's security and national resilience," which they said goes against the will of over 70 percent of Israelis, according to polls.

  • The Knesset Constitution Committee's chairman, far-right MK Simcha Rothman, revoked the speaking rights of Einav Zangauker, mother of hostage Matan, after she urged IDF reservists not to report for duty on moral and ethical grounds. "I strongly recommend we be very cautious about using this platform to call for disobedience and refusal to serve," Rothman told Zanauker, who replied that she is "not calling for a refusal to serve… I am saying that people should not show up for reserve duty for reasons of morality and principle."
  • Anat Angrest, mother of hostage Matan, told Haaretz that "it seems that the government has prioritized Hamas' defeat over rescuing and returning the hostages, because that would require stopping the war…Now, a war is being waged out of a desire for revenge and occupation, not saving lives. Not according to the will of the people, not according to the Jewish spirit."
  • Hundreds of protesters against Netanyahu's government held a sit-in opposite the Prime Minister's Office in Jerusalem. The protest was later forcibly dispersed by Israeli police, and one demonstrator was arrested. Protesters then marched to the Knesset.
  • Culture and Sports Minister Miki Zohar said in an interview with an ultra-Orthodox radio station that following the cabinet's approval of the plans to expand operations in Gaza, "the hostages' situation won't improve... Undoubtedly, they will be in a very difficult situation."

Israel to launch Gaza plan after Trump Mideast visit; Palestinian transfer 'key goal'

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https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2025-05-05/ty-article/.premium/israel-to-launch-gaza-plan-after-trump-mideast-visit-palestinian-transfer-key-goal/00000196-a0e3-d9bf-a1b6-e9e30aa80000?utm_source=mailchimp&utm_medium=Content&utm_campaign=israel-at-war&utm_content=fc7b8bfb8a

ScrollingLeaves · 05/05/2025 19:48

10UsernamesNotAvailableTryAnotherOne · 05/05/2025 08:17

The commander responsible for killing Hind Rajab, along with her aunt and uncle, (Anam and Bashar Hamaded) her cousins (Mohammed, Raghad, Layan, and Sara) and the paramedics who were sent to rescue her (Ahmed Al-Madhoun and Yusuf Al-Zeino) had been identified.

https://www.hindrajabfoundation.org/perpetrators/on-her-7th-birthday-we-know-who-killed-hind-rajab-and-were-taking-them-to-court

Well done to the organisation investigating that cruel and brutal Israeli
murder of a Palestinian child, and the ambulance drivers going to rescue her, after she was left alone in a car with the dead bodies of her murdered family.

Whatsinanamehey · 05/05/2025 10:39

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10UsernamesNotAvailableTryAnotherOne · 03/05/2025 11:18

I'm so glad he was finally freed! I was worried for him. 😢I hope he's doing ok.

Whatsinanamehey · 03/05/2025 10:47

The IDF has faced international condemnation for repeatedly changing its explanation about what happened that day - often only when new evidence has emerged.
Now he's been released, questions remain about Mr Nsasrah's detention, adding to the growing disquiet about the IDFs conduct.

PollyPaintsFlowers · 03/05/2025 09:00

ScrollingLeaves · 02/05/2025 12:33

The US military expert who said Iran ‘most likely’ planned the attack could be miscalculating how extraordinary (i.e out of the ordinary, not normal) Sinwar was. He did not have a usual mind. He seems to have been mad and messianic but also brilliant (that is not meant as a synonym for good). The attack on Oct 7 seems half planned, half extremely haphazard.

I'll put my faith in a US military expert over a random MNetter. No offence.

OhCalmTheFuckDownMargaret · 03/05/2025 07:48

10UsernamesNotAvailableTryAnotherOne · 02/05/2025 10:11

But what about Oct 7th? 🙄

That was sarcasm before anyone bites.

findingnibbles · 02/05/2025 16:30

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Eyesopenwideawake · 02/05/2025 16:22

10UsernamesNotAvailableTryAnotherOne · 02/05/2025 10:11

Don't worry, the usual suspects will be along to explain that it's all Hamas' fault in a moment.

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ScrollingLeaves · 02/05/2025 12:33

PollyPaintsFlowers · 01/05/2025 23:11

“Iran bears direct responsibility for the October 7 Attacks,” according to the lawsuit, filed in U.S. District Court for the District of Columbia. “Indeed, that point is essentially undisputed. The Iranian regime has openly flaunted its motive for aiding the horrors.”
While it’s not clear what role Iran played in the attacks, a former U.S. intelligence and military officer said in October that the sophisticated tactics Hamas used to attack Israel indicated Iran most likely played a significant role in the multipronged assault.

The US military expert who said Iran ‘most likely’ planned the attack could be miscalculating how extraordinary (i.e out of the ordinary, not normal) Sinwar was. He did not have a usual mind. He seems to have been mad and messianic but also brilliant (that is not meant as a synonym for good). The attack on Oct 7 seems half planned, half extremely haphazard.