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ScrollingLeaves · 16/05/2025 17:12

wavingfuriously · 16/05/2025 16:20

well who else is there that can potentially help the gazans ?! they're all alone, it's terrible

Another 100 killed. Trump must have given the permission even if tacitly.

wavingfuriously · 16/05/2025 16:51

from BBC Live :

‘We don’t have the energy to survive another displacement’
published at 12:53
12:53

Alice Cuddy
Reporting from Jerusalem

Adham speaks to the camera:
Earlier this year, we spoke to people returning to their homes in northern Gaza during the ceasefire. Among them was 31-year-old graphic designer Adham al-Batrawi.

He went back to the once affluent city of al-Zahra and was living in and around the remains of his family’s villa, lighting fires to cook and keep warm.

“I was excited to return but then I saw the house - half of it was destroyed. I got sad,” he said at the time.

The family hoped to rebuild, but once the ceasefire ended, it became too dangerous to stay, so they fled again.

“This was the seventh time of being evacuated. Maybe even more. I’ve lost count,” he tells me by video message from a displacement camp in central Gaza.

“With each displacement life becomes more tragic than before. We really hope it will be soon because we simply don’t have the energy left to survive another displacement.”

Today, he says life is “very difficult” – there’s “no fuel, no food and no income, and if anything is available it is extremely expensive”.

MissyB1 · 16/05/2025 16:25

This needs to be remembered for ever, children will need to be taught about it in school. Not just about the horror Israel has subjected the Palestinians to, but also about how so many Countries were complicit in the Genocide and ethnic cleansing.

wavingfuriously · 16/05/2025 16:20

Twiglets1 · 16/05/2025 14:35

I don't think anyone seriously believes there is no starvation in Gaza, no.

I just don't think Trump's involvement is likely to help the crisis as people like @wavingfuriously seem to be suggesting.

well who else is there that can potentially help the gazans ?! they're all alone, it's terrible

Mylegishangingoff · 16/05/2025 16:09

Whatsinanamehey · 16/05/2025 14:25

The BBC have a live feed running right now with testimonies from survivors of last nights slaughter. People watched entire residential buildings being flattened with friends and families killed from the weight of the rubble

"A man from Khan Younis in southern Gaza tells us that his pregnant sister was killed in her home, as we continue to hear from people impacted by the latest Israeli attacks - which the Hamas-run civil defence agency says have killed almost 100 people.
The unnamed man tells BBC Arabic that Israel "bombed the house while my sister and her husband were inside,” adding that his sister was “five months pregnant".
"There seems to be no solution to our crisis," he says. "We're all just waiting for our turn to die."

It's incredibly sad. I read that 6 entire families were killed in the past 24hrs, homes full of children bombed, roads destroyed to prevent access by rescuers. Unfortunately I believe that poor man is mostly correct at this point. Israel haven't been shy about their plans for them.

Twiglets1 · 16/05/2025 14:35

Whatsinanamehey · 16/05/2025 14:21

I despise Trump and I'm sure most people on here know that, my point is that when someone as pro-Israel as Trump can even acknowledge this, then where does that leave Israeli leaders? Do they seriously think that people believe them when they still insist to the media that there isn't any starvation in Gaza?

I don't think anyone seriously believes there is no starvation in Gaza, no.

I just don't think Trump's involvement is likely to help the crisis as people like @wavingfuriously seem to be suggesting.

Whatsinanamehey · 16/05/2025 14:25

The BBC have a live feed running right now with testimonies from survivors of last nights slaughter. People watched entire residential buildings being flattened with friends and families killed from the weight of the rubble

"A man from Khan Younis in southern Gaza tells us that his pregnant sister was killed in her home, as we continue to hear from people impacted by the latest Israeli attacks - which the Hamas-run civil defence agency says have killed almost 100 people.
The unnamed man tells BBC Arabic that Israel "bombed the house while my sister and her husband were inside,” adding that his sister was “five months pregnant".
"There seems to be no solution to our crisis," he says. "We're all just waiting for our turn to die."

Whatsinanamehey · 16/05/2025 14:21

Igotjelly · 16/05/2025 14:11

They can’t acknowledge it because to acknowledge it is to confess to using starvation as a weapon.

Yes true.

Whatsinanamehey · 16/05/2025 14:21

Twiglets1 · 16/05/2025 14:05

I sure that will be a lot of comfort if he does indeed take control of Gaza, "have it, take it, make it a freedom zone”

I despise Trump and I'm sure most people on here know that, my point is that when someone as pro-Israel as Trump can even acknowledge this, then where does that leave Israeli leaders? Do they seriously think that people believe them when they still insist to the media that there isn't any starvation in Gaza?

Igotjelly · 16/05/2025 14:11

Whatsinanamehey · 16/05/2025 14:01

At the least he acknowledged that the Palestinians are starving, something which the Israeli government can't seem to do, despite them being the ones who are enforcing the starvation by blocking aid and imposing a seige.

They can’t acknowledge it because to acknowledge it is to confess to using starvation as a weapon.

Twiglets1 · 16/05/2025 14:05

Whatsinanamehey · 16/05/2025 14:01

At the least he acknowledged that the Palestinians are starving, something which the Israeli government can't seem to do, despite them being the ones who are enforcing the starvation by blocking aid and imposing a seige.

I sure that will be a lot of comfort if he does indeed take control of Gaza, "have it, take it, make it a freedom zone”

Whatsinanamehey · 16/05/2025 14:01

At the least he acknowledged that the Palestinians are starving, something which the Israeli government can't seem to do, despite them being the ones who are enforcing the starvation by blocking aid and imposing a seige.

Twiglets1 · 16/05/2025 13:54

Trump's involvement will not be helpful to anyone but himself.

As reported in the Guardian:

US president Donald Trump said on Thursday he wanted the US to “take” Gaza and turn it into a “freedom zone”, a possible reiteration of a plan he put forward in February for the US to take control of the Palestinian territory to allow for its reconstruction as a luxury leisure and business hub. “I’d be proud to have the United States have it, take it, make it a freedom zone,” Trump said in Qatar.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2025/may/15/israel-gaza-donald-trump-gulf-qatar-uae-iran-middle-east-crisis-live

Trump says US should turn Gaza into ‘freedom zone’ as dozens killed in Israeli strikes – as it happened

US president’s reported comments in Qatar come as scores killed in a second consecutive night of heavy bombing

https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2025/may/15/israel-gaza-donald-trump-gulf-qatar-uae-iran-middle-east-crisis-live

Whatsinanamehey · 16/05/2025 12:20

It's quite an achievement that Netanyahu can make the clown in the white House look slightly empathetic. Even most Israelis have lost hope in him now. I think he's actually lost his mind and no one around him can make him see any sense of how dangerous his actions are for Israel in the public sphere.

wavingfuriously · 16/05/2025 12:20

Only Trump can stop it now imo, Trump & Hamas

Whatsinanamehey · 16/05/2025 12:18

@Igotjelly I know from your posts that you are quite measured in your view of the conflict so it speaks alot when even posters like yourself can say that it is a genocide now and can not be supported in anyway.

Whatsinanamehey · 16/05/2025 12:17

You know it's really bad when even Trump has finally admitted that Gazans are starving whilst the Israeli foreign minister still insists they aren't.

Trump has also said he doesn't think Netanyahu will make a deal and there's talks Hamas are now negotiating directly with the US which has probably angered Israel even more. The days after the American Israeli hostage was released have been some of the most lethal since the start of the war.

Igotjelly · 16/05/2025 12:12

wavingfuriously · 16/05/2025 10:29

It's a genocide pure and simple.

I agree

At the beginning of this iteration of the conflict I tried hard to understand why Israel was taking the action that it was. I understand the massacre that was 07 Oct and why they wanted revenge. Hamas are terrorists and I have no sympathy for them.

I absolutely cannot condone what has happened since however. They are massacring civilians at an industrial scale and using starvation as a weapon of war. I struggle to see how much worse it would need to be to be called out as genocide.

I feel for those Israelis living under the current genocidal regime who don’t condone what’s happening to innocents. History will condemn Netanyahu and his cronies as war criminals, of that I have no doubt.

wavingfuriously · 16/05/2025 10:29

Whatsinanamehey · 16/05/2025 09:14

Nearly 200 killed in the last 48 hours. Its so scary how the slaughter of starving people is still ongoing.

It's a genocide pure and simple.

Whatsinanamehey · 16/05/2025 09:14

Nearly 200 killed in the last 48 hours. Its so scary how the slaughter of starving people is still ongoing.

ScrollingLeaves · 15/05/2025 09:25

So the IDF has stated Hamas terrorists [Mohammed Sinwar?] were in an underground command and control centre under the hospital but their aeriel video with graphics - used to supposedly show people the underground systems revealed by their bombing - was not of the hospital at all but a nearby school with the area looking undamaged, and the dark lines they said showed "underground terrorist infrastructure site revealed following the strike" were drainage ditches which were visible well before this bombing attack.

Meanwhile, far from being underground, they also bombed some upper floors of the hospital where apparently another target, [Mohammed Sinwar ?] was.

They lie, obfuscate or mislead as much as Putin does.

Whatsinanamehey · 15/05/2025 02:01

More of IDF's lies, incompetence and war war crimes.