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To think someone has got to stop the mass killings in Gaza

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BotanicalCake · 03/04/2025 21:34

We are back to hundreds of Gazans being killed each day after the so called ceasefire and over 50,000 now slaughtered, mostly women and children.
The bombing of hospitals, schools and 'safe zones' not being enough, they are now picking off paramedics. How much depravity is the world going to tolerate?

AIBU to suggest that the world leaders complicit in Netanyahu's genocide should all stand before the Hague?

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2025/apr/03/the-guardian-view-on-israels-killing-of-paramedics-a-new-atrocity-in-an-unending-conflict

The Guardian view on Israel’s killing of paramedics: a new atrocity in an unending conflict | Editorial

Editorial: Impunity over Palestinian deaths in Gaza will lead to further cases like this massacre of rescue and healthcare workers

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2025/apr/03/the-guardian-view-on-israels-killing-of-paramedics-a-new-atrocity-in-an-unending-conflict

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ThisNattyTurtle · 08/04/2025 07:11

Before Oct. 7th Israel was committing the crime against Humanity of violent apartheid according to: the UN, ICJ, Amnesty, Human Rights Watch (whose head was a Jewish American lawyer at the time of the report), B'Tselem, Yesh Din, etc etc etc

ThisNattyTurtle · 08/04/2025 07:09

Before Oct. 7th Israel killed an Oct. 7th number of unarmed Palestinian children each year
(37 Israeli children killed Oct. 7th, several by Israeli army fire according to witnesses and the UN. 32 unarmed Palestinian children killed Jan-Sept 2023 and 34 unarmed Palestinian children killed 2022 in the West Bank no Hamas)
https://www.savethechildren.net/news/2023-marks-deadliest-year-record-children-occupied-west-bank

ThisNattyTurtle · 08/04/2025 07:05

In its genocide Israel has systematically targeted and destroyed healthcare infrastructure and personnel as attested the UN and by MSF IN 2024 (the other times MSF has broken neutrality? Bosnia, Congo, Rwandan genocides).
https://www.msf.org/why-we-wont-accept-narrative-regrettable-incidents-gaza

Including the deliberate abduction and torture of healthcare workers
Israeli NGO B'Tselem "welcome to hell"
https://www.btselem.org/publications/202408_welcome_to_hell

Israel bans foreign media and is deliberately targeting journalists and has killed more than any conflict since records began according to the CPJ
https://cpj.org/mideast/israel-and-the-occupied-palestinian-territory/

Israel and the Occupied Palestinian Territory Archives - Committee to Protect Journalists

https://cpj.org/mideast/israel-and-the-occupied-palestinian-territory/

Twiglets1 · 08/04/2025 07:01

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Can you really not see the irony of your condemnation of people “resorting to name calling” and then saying “it’s like talking to anti- vaxxers or white supremacists”.

Everyone needs to stop with the insults! People can have a different opinion without being insulted. You just lose the argument when you resort to name calling as you say yourself.

ThisNattyTurtle · 08/04/2025 06:41

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Martymcfly24 · 07/04/2025 22:38

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What did you mean by the slur Adolf?

That's extremely disrespectful and brings a conversation to a level I would think nobody wants.

Jujujudo · 07/04/2025 22:34

hellohellooo · 07/04/2025 11:44

Hmmm

You are totally wrong there

Very disrespectful thing to claim

what qualifies you as an expert in this?

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Jujujudo · 07/04/2025 22:31

GetItNowOrNever · 07/04/2025 17:20

the ethnic cleansing in Syria, mass killings in Pakistan, Putin’s barbaric unjustified mss murder in Ukraine, subjugation of women in Afghanistan, uncontrolled infanticide in China.

Could you show me where Western governments including our own, have said that they support the killings you mention, and that they support the perpetrators? Because that’s a major issue for me and my views on Israel’s actions. Nothing to do with ‘the Jews’. Not for me, anyway.

Why do you think that the uk supports Israel? Genuine question. Why do they fund and support them?

Clavinova · 07/04/2025 19:54

Gansy
But I do ask myself why Hamas would kill some [hostages] and keep some alive

I can think of a dozen reasons why some hostages may be killed by their captors: 251 hostages were taken on October 7, therefore some hostages were expendable, killing some hostages puts further pressure on the Israeli government, dead hostages are still useful to the terrorists as families want to retrieve the bodies of their loved ones, some hostages were close to being rescued and could not be moved to another location, non-civilian hostages are seen as legitimate targets, some hostages may be killed in revenge for Palestinian family and friends killed in the bombings/fighting - or out of frustration at the slowness of negotiations, some hostages may be witnesses or victims of atrocities carried out during captivity, or have knowledge of tunnels and command centres, some hostages may be ill or injured and a burden to their captors, some hostages may have tried to escape or became hysterical, defiant or difficult to deal with, some hostages were taken by other militant groups with a different agenda, some hostages may be disadvantaged by their nationality or ethnic group and some terrorists are simply sadist nutcases.

Clavinova · 07/04/2025 19:11

SugarandSpiceandAllThingsNaice
They lied about the personnel not wearing their Red Cross/crescent uniforms, UN uniform and fire fighter uniforms, they lied about killing terrorists as part of the group

Sorry, but I don't think you can make a blanket assessment on what all of the men were wearing - as one of the three men in the video footage is not wearing any sort of uniform at all. There's a fleeting glimpse of another man dashing behind the ambulance who also appears to be wearing dark clothing. All we can say for certain is that at least two of the men were wearing uniforms/high-vis vest.

GetItNowOrNever · 07/04/2025 17:20

Jujujudo · 07/04/2025 08:47

Gosh, a lot of experts here on the ground with strong evidence of actual facts. It’s not like you’re all letting your bias and emotions get in the way. I mean, let’s suddenly believe every thing we read! Let’s not question anything because it suits our agenda! Let’s automatically vilify an entire country because the media tells us we are justified!! Let’s single out the war in Gaza/Israel and home in on unverified details, while ignoring the ethnic cleansing in Syria, mass killings in Pakistan, Putin’s barbaric unjustified mss murder in Ukraine, subjugation of women in Afghanistan, uncontrolled infanticide in China! Who are any of you to use inflammatory language like genocide (a word created to describe what happened in the holocaust)? What actual facts do any of you have? How much true historical information do you have? How easy has it become for all you vehemently anti racist, humanitarian and loving people to become outwardly racist towards Israel and Jews?
You want to talk facts?? Ask an Israel citizen, ask a Druze family living on the Syrian Israel border. Ask a Gazan. Go on? I’ll help you get in touch with any of these people.
Im utterly horrified at some of the things written here. When has it become acceptable to vilify and demonise an entire nation based on propaganda and rhetoric?
Oh how easy it is to be hateful when it’s the Jews eh?

the ethnic cleansing in Syria, mass killings in Pakistan, Putin’s barbaric unjustified mss murder in Ukraine, subjugation of women in Afghanistan, uncontrolled infanticide in China.

Could you show me where Western governments including our own, have said that they support the killings you mention, and that they support the perpetrators? Because that’s a major issue for me and my views on Israel’s actions. Nothing to do with ‘the Jews’. Not for me, anyway.

GetItNowOrNever · 07/04/2025 17:17

Gloriia · 07/04/2025 08:49

Why comment if you avoid these threads and see nothing has changed yet still want to share your opinion?

That is all that we are all doing, sharing our opinions.

I commented because I wanted to.

Gansy · 07/04/2025 12:07

Jujujudo · 07/04/2025 08:50

Christ. Innocent hostages on both sides???? Waiting to obliterate Gaza? I’m lost for words.

Truth has a habit of doing that.

Twiglets1 · 07/04/2025 11:45

This is the link to the article in the Guardian @Jujujudo

www.theguardian.com/world/2025/apr/07/israel-military-gaza-perimeter-land-testimony-report

hellohellooo · 07/04/2025 11:44

PurpleChrayn · 03/04/2025 22:14

It’s not a genocide.

Hamas have exaggerated the figures.

It could end tomorrow if the hostages are released and Hamas stands down.

Hmmm

You are totally wrong there

Very disrespectful thing to claim

Twiglets1 · 07/04/2025 11:40

Jujujudo · 07/04/2025 10:47

Apparently when the source is Israeli its lies and if the source is Al Jazeera it’s gospel truth.

Yes I used to think Al Jazeera was good for news but over this conflict they have shown a lot of obvious bias.

Twiglets1 · 07/04/2025 11:38

Thegreyhound · 07/04/2025 10:33

It’s in the Guardian. It’s online and free. If you have strong opinions on the situation then why aren’t you reading all you can about it ?

I had read about it this morning actually but it’s just good practice if you’re having a debate to provide a link to your source if you’re talking about recent news.

Jujujudo · 07/04/2025 10:55

Twiglets1 · 07/04/2025 10:32

Why don’t you provide a link when you state things that aren’t widely known?

People like to see the source reporting the information so they can make up their own minds whether it’s a reputable source or not.

Even a link provides justification to their agenda. If the link supports Jews (Israel) then it’s to be questioned and called out as a lie, if the link supports terrorists or the Muslim brotherhood propaganda then it’s absolute fact. Apparently. It’s a nightmare. This whole situation has proved absolutely that it’s possible to be outwardly racist, to hold normal people accountable for a war, to single out only one nation as a terrorist state and feel that somehow you are on the side of humanity. I hope that in the future, what has happened to a people making up 0.02% of the world’s population will be seen as a crime and not as an aspiration.

Jujujudo · 07/04/2025 10:48

Thegreyhound · 07/04/2025 10:27

It’s in the paper today. Maybe read 🤷‍♀️

Oh it’s in the paper, it must be true!

Jujujudo · 07/04/2025 10:47

Twiglets1 · 07/04/2025 10:32

Why don’t you provide a link when you state things that aren’t widely known?

People like to see the source reporting the information so they can make up their own minds whether it’s a reputable source or not.

Apparently when the source is Israeli its lies and if the source is Al Jazeera it’s gospel truth.

Thegreyhound · 07/04/2025 10:33

Twiglets1 · 07/04/2025 10:32

Why don’t you provide a link when you state things that aren’t widely known?

People like to see the source reporting the information so they can make up their own minds whether it’s a reputable source or not.

It’s in the Guardian. It’s online and free. If you have strong opinions on the situation then why aren’t you reading all you can about it ?

Twiglets1 · 07/04/2025 10:32

Thegreyhound · 07/04/2025 10:27

It’s in the paper today. Maybe read 🤷‍♀️

Why don’t you provide a link when you state things that aren’t widely known?

People like to see the source reporting the information so they can make up their own minds whether it’s a reputable source or not.

Twiglets1 · 07/04/2025 10:28

JohnnyRememberMe · 07/04/2025 08:59

Send the hostages back and the war ends.

To be clear the conditions are release the hostages and destroy Hamas. Very reasonable demands I think.

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