To think someone has got to stop the mass killings in Gaza

Some people suggest that a 2 state solution could happen. Do you think so? Two nation states peacefully co-existing, no more war , no more death and destruction (the subject of the thread).

Riiight.

I leave that for the courts to assess. Once arrest warrants are issued, as in the case of the ICC with Hamas and Israel, I feel comfortable asserting that war crimes and crimes against humanity have happened.

Are you worried there will be arrest warrants issued in the UK for the 10 British who fought in the IDF in Gaza that are accused of war crimes?

Not as relevant as exactly how European and white Shani Louk was apparently.

I never said that she's wasn't a German citizen or of (half) European ethnicity. I simply pointed out that she was Israeli. Because apparently the ethnicity and nationality of a woman who was brutally murdered is so important to you.

Is relevant to the thread how? Do you think where lines get drawn on a map will stop the mass killings in Gaza?

“So in your world, no country under attack should ever attack back then?”
In what sick world are the only attacks available war crimes?

“The jury has not yet convened on whether war crimes have taken place in this war btw.”
True, it’s not been legally proven in court that either Hamas or the IDF have committed war crimes but the ICC arrest warrants for 3 Hamas officials (since assassinated by Israel) and 2 Israeli officials for war crimes and crimes against humanity indicate that the International Criminal Court has sufficient evidence that some war crimes and crimes against humanity have indeed happened during the conflict.

OK. Still hamas in charge though, what are the chances things would be any different? They are still Iran's puppets.

Also Israel has not just been under attack by the Palestinians, they’ve been under attack from Iran, Lebanon and Yemen.

Aren’t you worried that they may have committed war crimes there too or only in Gaza?

Or in Syria?

..........and the boundaries of Israel?

So in your world, no country under attack should ever attack back then?

The Allies shouldn’t have attacked the Nazis, just sat back and let them wipe out most of Western Europe/take over the world?

The jury has not yet convened on whether war crimes have taken place in this war btw.

Actually you’re the one obsessed with denying her Europeaness. I mentioned in passing “Shani Louk (German woman) “ and you’ve been utterly hell bent on firing off posts arguing pointlessly that she wasn’t a German citizen or of European ethnicity- she was.

No human being deserves to be the victim of a war crime.
No war crime justifies retaliatory war crimes.

Nice try at twisting what I posted @RandomWordsThrownTogether

We all know that people, including children sadly, have died in Gaza. There is a war going on after all and the terrorist government who started it made absolutely no attempts, in all their years of planning and building tunnels, to protect them in such a densely populated urban area. In fact they used civilian areas, residential dwellings, schools, hospitals etc to bring the war right to them.

I didn’t ‘pretend’ otherwise.

Which begs the question of why there is a need to produce clearly fake videos and pictures, often featuring the same people in a variety of different guises.

Do you deny this has happened
@RandomWordsThrownTogether? There is plenty of evidence. Do you think the people in the videos are Israelis posing as Palestinians?

How on earth can you compare that with Holocaust deniers or compare me to one for posting about something that is already known and has been for a long time?

I’m not bothered about your disgusting personal attack btw and don’t require an apology.

A year ago, Hamas offered a conversion into a political party, the dissolution of its armed wing and a 5 year truce if Israel went back to it's 1967 borders. Israel declined.

A lot of lives would have been saved, had Israel thought to accept.

Not normally a foxfan but here it is.

Yeah, I read her Wikipedia page. Which is how I found out that she was born in Israel to an Israeli father?

And I repeat, so fucking what? Why are you both so obsessed with the fact that she was half-European, what had that got to do with anything?

Sorry, who is that aimed at?

I would ask the same question to the people who tore down posters of kidnapped children in the days after 7/10, before the death toll mounted.? Why was that child less deserving of sympathy than any other? Why tear down or defile their poster?
Maybe ask the Gazans who broke and defiled hundreds of bodies on 7/10 why those people deserved that treatment?
@SugarandSpiceandAllThingsNaice Where do you think the boundaries of Israel should be, or do you not think it should exist at all? What's your solution to the conflict?

She was European Jewish ethnicity. That doesn’t make her less deserving of sympathy, my question to that poster was why is she more deserving of sympathy than over 35,000 Palestinian women and children.

She is listed as a German-Israeli woman. Her ethnicity is European Jewish.

I guess you never even bothered to read the Wiki page documenting her early life, I suppose she is more of a symbol to you such that you’re not interested in who she was.

I agree with you.

So fucking what? Why does it matter if her father was German?

I was born in the UK but my father was not. If someone suggested that I was not really British because of where my father is from that would be racist. If someone suggested I could not possibly be the victim of oppression and that my death had less significance because of where my father came from that would be horrifically racist.

White/ European heritage if you really want to be pedantic.
As a previous poster mentioned they would see their DD as a festival goer in her, and probably not a Palestinian child who has been born into a refugee camp in their own homeland. Heaven forbid, how can anyone possibly identify with something so suppressed and marginalised.

Yes and her father was Israeli and she was born in Israel and lived there as an Israeli citizen. She was Israeli. I have seen nothing to suggest that she ever lived in Germany. Not that it really matters, at least both to anyone who isn't determined to paint her as European and therefore somehow less deserving of sympathy for some perverse reason.