To think someone has got to stop the mass killings in Gaza

Not sure why the Muslims countries around aren't helping

‘Hamas 1988 Charter, Article 13:
Initiatives, and so-called peaceful solutions and international conferences, are in contradiction to the principles of the Islamic Resistance Movement.’

You're actually saying that people should be killed for having an opinion?

If you are in the UK I would be very careful posting that sort of thing.

Except the global community aren’t using Hamas figures….

Israel will sort out the problem permanently one way or the other after the October 7th attacks. There is no way they are going to leave a threat like that on their borders.

I don't agree with it, nor am I advocating for it, just pointing out the reality of the situation.

Edit: Don't forget there were millions of ethnic Germans living all over Eastern Europe prior to WW2. Now there are none.

You need to understand the only way this ends is when only one of the ethinc groups remains in the area.

That has never been an acceptable solution since the 19th c. So why should we allow Israel to regress international society in such a way that ethnic cleansing by whoever has the power is ok again? Should Spain just kick out the Andorrans and take their country? Should China proceed with taking over Taiwan and boot the Taiwanese out? Should the US take over Greenland and send the Greenlanders to Denmark?

Israel will ethnically cleanse Gaza whatever happens. The real question is will they be moved somewhere else after Hamas surrender (assuming someone volunteers to take them) or die in place with Hamas still at war?

You need to understand the only way this ends is when only one of the ethinc groups remains in the area.

You think Netanyahu, the guy who is annexing the West Bank, the guy who resigned from government in protest back in 2005 when Israel took their settlers out of Gaza was open to a 2 state solution

In answer to the OP at think at the very least harsh sanctions should have been/should be levied on Israel. Treat them the same as everyone else who has no respect international law. They aren't allies to anybody.

Hamas need to release the hostages and surrender. They are responsible for using Palestinians as collateral damage. Don’t commit an atrocity, start a war and hide behind /beneath your people. Even Gazians have started to protest against Hamas now.

They did surrender already with the 3 phase ceasefire that Israel agreed to but then broke for no good reason. Their conditions were not unreasonable and focussed on humanitarian aid, release of prisoners and detainees- women and children first in return for hostages, then phase 2 would have been withdrawal of Israel from the strip to be replaced by US & Egyptian peacekeepers, then phase 3 Hamas relinquishes all power to the PA.

the “surrender unconditionally” axiom isn’t part of modern warfare or ethics. It was in ancient times when surrender meant death or slavery for the conquered.

I think they would have done a few months ago, actually. I think there was more of a will to explore a two state solution; but it is important to remember that Gaza doesn’t want that, either.

I would suggest you look up the definition of genocide, and the facts regarding already designated past genocides because what has happened ticks a lot of the boxes.

Yes. I wish people would stop presenting this as a completely unprovoked attack by Israel.

It’s despicable and I wish the world would wake up and see this for what it is. Mass genocide.

It’s horrendous. How anyone can look at these videos or images of dead children and feel nothing I will never understand.

They don't believe it. They just don't care (about Palestinians).

I'm bewildered as to why you think Hamas surrendering would stop the genocide and ethnic cleansing? You actually believe Israel will allow Palestinians to continue living in Gaza?

The only way for this to end is for Hamas to surrender unconditionally. Sad though it is Israel holds all the cards.

@Sorkh

there are real genocides happening in the world right now
Yes including in Gaza.

The Palestinian people can't end the war, Israel could, but don't want to because they want Gaza for their American riviera deal with Trump.

Would you be happy to holiday in Dubai op?

I agree the war has to end but I wish people would stop calling it a genocide. It's just not. There are actual genocides happening in the world right now and they have no media coverage and no threads on message boards talking about them. Why is that do you think? Throwing around words like " apartheid" and "genocide" helps no one.

Where are the marches calling for Hamas surrender? ( I mean apart from in Gaza now where a few brave people have started to call for their demise) All the marches in the west are full of pampered students with masks on their faces who would soon change their minds if they had to live in Gaza. Shouldn't Gazans be allowed to have a democratic government like they have?

There is a huge propaganda machine behind Hamas which has been very successful. The more dead bodies the better. There has been so many staged videos on tiktok which seems to be taken as truth. I'm not denying there is suffering there and conditions are awful. They are. But Israel has to defend it's citizens. Life is valued in Israel. Hence the really unequal prisoner/ hostage swops. Iron dome etc. Hamas ( and unfortunately a proportion of Palestinian society) don't value life. They value death....raising your children to think their greatest achievement is to become a " martyr" is child abuse. No child should be brought up like that.

Its disgraceful and so devastating. How can so many people be either justifying it or not batting an eyelid. We are at our darkest times.