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‘South Africa accused of prior knowledge of Hamas attack’

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CrunchyKnees · 03/04/2025 20:34

Very interesting.

Doesn’t seem to have been reported in the Western MSM yet.

https://www.iol.co.za/the-star/news/sa-accused-of-prior-knowledge-in-hamas-attack-d9786146-67b7-4997-9783-82d5a23372d2

Any thoughts?

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EasterIssland · 03/04/2025 23:40

Checking the source you’ve posted from, doesn’t look like it’s quite a good source

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/independent-online-iol-bias/

but I stand myself not sure what would have changed SA knowing if Israels government / intelligence knew and they also financed Hamas and did nothing.

Independent Online (IOL) - Bias and Credibility

LEAST BIASED These sources have minimal bias and use very few loaded words (wording that attempts to influence an audience by appeals to emotion or

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/independent-online-iol-bias

EasterIssland · 03/04/2025 23:29

Israeli intelligence says they ignored the signs that were happening that an attack was imminent

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2025/03/04/middleeast/israel-shin-bet-october-7-fault-intl-latam

I’ll ask you again. Why does it matter if SA knew about a terrorist attack soon happening in Israel if 1. Israel was aware about it and ignored it. 2. Egypt was aware and had let Israel know (see point 1).

what would have changed SA knowing if the country that could have done something about it decided to do nothing?

also, about SA enabling Hamas … I suggest you search for qatargate and how netanhayu is involved and he’s firing people to save his arse.

Israel’s Shin Bet says October 7 attack could have been prevented as it admits fault and casts blame | CNN

Israel’s Shin Bet security agency has said it “failed in its mission” to prevent Hamas’ October 7 attack by ignoring repeated warning signs.

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2025/03/04/middleeast/israel-shin-bet-october-7-fault-intl-latam

moto748e · 03/04/2025 23:29

What I don't get is, Hamas's POV? Where's the win for them? They must have known all too predictably what would happen. In what sense could Oct 7 have ever left them in better shape?

CrunchyKnees · 03/04/2025 23:11

“As part of a political strategy, preparations were made before the October 7 atrocity against Israel to set mechanisms in place for approaching the ICC and ICJ for protection from Israel's anticipated response,”

That is a pretty serious allegation, and true, surely implicates South Africa in being complicit in Oct 7th?

Begs the question of how they and Hamas knew there would be a ‘genocide and starvation’ in advance and raises suspicions that the accusations were planned before the atrocities of Oct 7th, and any retaliation, even took place?

Doesn’t this, again if proven, discredit the ICC arrest warrants issued against Netanyahu and Gallant?

I was actually asking for thoughts on the article I posted. Not on the war that is going on now.

It goes without saying, all civilian deaths are an absolute tragedy in any war.

It is beyond evil that Hamas continue to hide out in schools and civilians areas deliberately putting innocent Palestinians in danger. Why are people who have the courage to take a stance for Palestinians STILL not outraged and protesting about that @Arayofcalm?

Really @EasterIssland you don’t think it matters that hypothetically say, the leaders of a UN member country enabled a designated terrorist organisation (designated in the whole of the Western world), to bring about a prosecution of the leaders of another UN member country it intended to invade and commit one of the world’s worst terrorist attacks on, to the International Criminal Court before they’d carried it out?

As for the Israeli government having intelligence that an attack was about to happen, this analysis is quite comprehensive with information made public to date:
https://ctc.westpoint.edu/the-october-7-attack-an-assessment-of-the-intelligence-failings/

Also this article gives some background:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/oct/07/intelligence-failures-before-7-october-attack-hamas-israel-gaza

What relevance does that have in relation to these allegations about South Africa though?

‘They told us a big attack wouldn’t happen’: the intelligence failures before 7 October

A year on, there are still bitter recriminations over warnings missed by Israeli military and intelligence services

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/oct/07/intelligence-failures-before-7-october-attack-hamas-israel-gaza

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Arayofcalm · 03/04/2025 21:26

The usual tactic, let's blame and tar everyone who has the courage to take a stance for the Palestinians whilst ignoring their own intelligence failures.

My thoughts are with the victims of the attack on the school Israel has just bombed in Gaza in the last hour.

INeedAnotherName · 03/04/2025 21:19

my thoughts : Israel’s officials knew as well a year in advance and didn’t do anything to prevent it so not sure why would it matter if another country knew about it as well.

Agree with above. Israel didn't give a shit and let it happen.

Sheworeblueve · 03/04/2025 21:05

Thoughts are with the beheaded babies in Gaza.

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EasterIssland · 03/04/2025 20:50

my thoughts : Israel’s officials knew as well a year in advance and didn’t do anything to prevent it so not sure why would it matter if another country knew about it as well.

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2023/12/01/middleeast/israel-hamas-gaza-intelligence-intl

Egypt also knew and tried to warn Israel multiple times.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/egypt-intelligence-official-says-israel-ignored-repeated-warnings-of-something-big/

Martymcfly24 · 03/04/2025 20:54

I have searched for any information on the group CASISA and the guy(Justin Lewis) who made the claim but Google has not thrown anything up so it seems hard to verify anything without any background knowledge. Why would he be writing to the US ambassador if he is UK based.