Page 4 | To be horrified that Israel is slaughtering children at a rate not seen in over 20 years? (thread 2)

ThisNattyTurtle · 2025-03-30T08:07:32+00:00

Israel has been found to be *committing genocide* in Gaza by legal teams from the UN, Amnesty and Human Rights Watch. Israel has deliberately attacked *MSF ambulances* and clinics and the World Central Kitchen killing overseas volunteers including a British army vet. See Amnesty video explaining below [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h8_18UuiAm4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h8_18UuiAm4]] Jewish-American Dr. Mark Perlmutter on what he saw in Gaza and why he believes it's deliberate genocide (warning - heart breaking) [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=116s&v=2QdalGDpCIU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2QdalGDpCIU&t=116s]] [[https://www.youtube.com/shorts/Ia9sa0iuwHw?cbrd=1&ucbcb=1 https://www.youtube.com/shorts/Ia9sa0iuwHw]] On average one child is being killed every 45minutes. Over 100 were killed 18th and 19th March alone. There has been a total blockade preventing entry of food or medicine since the start of March. Israel is an apartheid state according to the ICJ, UN, B'Tselem, Yesh Din, Amnesty, Human Rights Watch. The British government is supporting Israel in this genocide with military recon flights and arms. Our government did not stop supporting White Apartheid South Africa until it was forced to by British people's outrage, and by the global boycott. It is time to do the same again to show that we do not accept genocide and that we really do stand by the values of international humanitarian law.

quantumbutterfly · 24/05/2025 13:03

Thegreyhound · 24/05/2025 13:00

Your priorities are wrong

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You think it's wrong to want the release of Israeli hostages?

HellsBalls · 24/05/2025 13:02

Thegreyhound · 24/05/2025 13:01

Israel is a nuclear power, not a defenceless victim.

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Sooner or later Iran is going to become painfully aware of that.

Thegreyhound · 24/05/2025 13:01

quantumbutterfly · 24/05/2025 12:50

Israel should not need an iron dome to intercept rocket fire from Gaza, Lebanon, Yemen & Iran.
Israelis should not need public bomb shelters and safe rooms, I suspect after 7/10 they will be redesigned.

Have you specifically said this, if not, why not? Do you think it is right?

Israel is a nuclear power, not a defenceless victim.

quantumbutterfly · 24/05/2025 13:00

ComeAsYouAreAsAFriend · 24/05/2025 12:57

This thread is about children being slaughtered, enough with the derails. This is the rehtoric that is leading to and attempting to legitimise that

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So you think none of those things are wrong ? ok

Thegreyhound · 24/05/2025 13:00

quantumbutterfly · 24/05/2025 12:45

What is happening is wrong.
Israeli hostages, dead & alive should not be in Gaza.
Hamas should not be in Gaza.
Israel forces should not be in Gaza.
Israel should not be at war with Gaza.
Hamas leaders should not be viewing Gazans as cannon fodder for martyrdom.
Iran should not be spreading it's own brand of theocratic Jew hate and funding terrorism.

Have you mentioned any of those? Or do you disagree that they are wrong.

I can think of many other 'wrong' things that you're tacitly accepting by not vociferously condemning them.

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Your priorities are wrong

ComeAsYouAreAsAFriend · 24/05/2025 12:57

quantumbutterfly · 24/05/2025 12:50

Israel should not need an iron dome to intercept rocket fire from Gaza, Lebanon, Yemen & Iran.
Israelis should not need public bomb shelters and safe rooms, I suspect after 7/10 they will be redesigned.

Have you specifically said this, if not, why not? Do you think it is right?

This thread is about children being slaughtered, enough with the derails. This is the rehtoric that is leading to and attempting to legitimise that

quantumbutterfly · 24/05/2025 12:50

Israel should not need an iron dome to intercept rocket fire from Gaza, Lebanon, Yemen & Iran.
Israelis should not need public bomb shelters and safe rooms, I suspect after 7/10 they will be redesigned.

Have you specifically said this, if not, why not? Do you think it is right?

dairydebris · 24/05/2025 12:50

Thegreyhound · 24/05/2025 12:33

Hang on so is killing babies and people in tents beyond the pale or is saying that it is happening and providing proof for people who disbelieve it beyond the pale?
What a moral maze ! Who can tell what is right or wrong anymore?!

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You are aware that more than one thing can be wrong at the same time?
And my point remains that posting a picture of a dead baby doesn't actually prove a single thing, other than that someone took a photo of a dead baby.
And furthermore, I haven't seen a single person assert that no babies are being killed. We all know babies are dying. And we all know its awful.
Posting a picture of someone's dead child to attempt to make a point that could be made with words is indefensible.
Hope this helps.

quantumbutterfly · 24/05/2025 12:45

Thegreyhound · 24/05/2025 12:34

Well I don’t know who you mean by ‘we’ but I can’t find any comment to the effect of ‘what is happening is wrong’ from some posters on here 🤷

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What is happening is wrong.
Israeli hostages, dead & alive should not be in Gaza.
Hamas should not be in Gaza.
Israel forces should not be in Gaza.
Israel should not be at war with Gaza.
Hamas leaders should not be viewing Gazans as cannon fodder for martyrdom.
Iran should not be spreading it's own brand of theocratic Jew hate and funding terrorism.

Have you mentioned any of those? Or do you disagree that they are wrong.

I can think of many other 'wrong' things that you're tacitly accepting by not vociferously condemning them.

Thegreyhound · 24/05/2025 12:34

quantumbutterfly · 24/05/2025 12:24

Are we being accused of stuff we haven't actually said.......again.

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Well I don’t know who you mean by ‘we’ but I can’t find any comment to the effect of ‘what is happening is wrong’ from some posters on here 🤷

Thegreyhound · 24/05/2025 12:33

dairydebris · 24/05/2025 12:28

A dead baby isn't proof of genocidal actions. Its proof of a dead baby. If my baby had died in this awful way the last thing id want is pictures all over the internet, and people arguing about what my dead baby means. Its absolutely fucking tasteless.
The poster has posted a dead baby to make a political point. To point score. She doesn't know the family or have their permission.
We all watch the news. We know children are dying. Posting a baby like this to score points is indefensible. I hope she takes it down.

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Hang on so is killing babies and people in tents beyond the pale or is saying that it is happening and providing proof for people who disbelieve it beyond the pale?
What a moral maze ! Who can tell what is right or wrong anymore?!

Arayofcalm · 24/05/2025 12:31

And no they shouldn't have to take it down just because it makes genocide deniers feel uncomfortable with what crimes they are defending.

Arayofcalm · 24/05/2025 12:30

That's your opinion and not necessarily the opinion shared by others. Why don't you go correct the poster who said Israel isn't bombing anyone in tents?

dairydebris · 24/05/2025 12:28

Arayofcalm · 24/05/2025 12:22

It's not bad taste, it is proof of Israel's genocidal actions that many posters are still in denial about.

A dead baby isn't proof of genocidal actions. Its proof of a dead baby. If my baby had died in this awful way the last thing id want is pictures all over the internet, and people arguing about what my dead baby means. Its absolutely fucking tasteless.
The poster has posted a dead baby to make a political point. To point score. She doesn't know the family or have their permission.
We all watch the news. We know children are dying. Posting a baby like this to score points is indefensible. I hope she takes it down.

quantumbutterfly · 24/05/2025 12:24

Thegreyhound · 24/05/2025 12:01

I can’t see anywhere where you have said it isn’t. 🤷

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Are we being accused of stuff we haven't actually said.......again.

Arayofcalm · 24/05/2025 12:22

It's not bad taste, it is proof of Israel's genocidal actions that many posters are still in denial about.

Arayofcalm · 24/05/2025 12:21

Perhaps the poster posted it as others claimed that Israel wasn't bombing children in tents and there was no proof for it 🤷‍♀️

I see the poster hasn't come back since then.

dairydebris · 24/05/2025 12:18

BelleHathor · 23/05/2025 17:12

Trigger warning for image.

His name was Khaled Al-Zeinati, a baby burned alive in his tent last week, may he Rest in Peace.

Feel free to search for him, warning that the unblurred picture is triggering. Also look at all the "lovely" people calling it AI or Pallywood or saying FAFO.

Why post this? Do you have his parents permission? Because it honestly looks like you're using this baby's death to make a point. Seriously bad taste.

Thegreyhound · 24/05/2025 12:01

devourfeculence · 24/05/2025 11:09

Do I think it's okay to blow up and starve chukdren now?

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I can’t see anywhere where you have said it isn’t. 🤷

devourfeculence · 24/05/2025 11:09

Thegreyhound · 24/05/2025 11:08

Not to someone who thinks it’s ok to starve and blow up children no- that is a point of view that 100% deserves a total lack of respect

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Do I think it's okay to blow up and starve chukdren now?

Thegreyhound · 24/05/2025 11:08

devourfeculence · 23/05/2025 21:40

Are you even capable of saying anything that isn't a childish personal attacks?

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Not to someone who thinks it’s ok to starve and blow up children no- that is a point of view that 100% deserves a total lack of respect

Defenestre · 24/05/2025 09:34

Livelovebehappy · 02/04/2025 17:46

Why won't Hamas just free all the hostages, immediately? Then there would have to be a cease fire, as Israel have told the rest of the world that's all they want. Why are Hamas inviting the slaughter of their people by refusing to do so? My thoughts are that the remaining hostages are either dead or been victims of horrific torture which if it comes out will destroy any last bits of sympathy the West holds for Gaza.

That's simply not true though. Israel have said no such thing, and Netanyahu has in fact said the opposite.

Letmecallyouback · 24/05/2025 07:30

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Letmecallyouback · 24/05/2025 07:20

From the BBC today about the latest IDF drone attack on a food lorry:

"Israel says the blockade was intended to put pressure on Hamas to release the hostages still held in Gaza."

Hmm, so how is that one working out so far then?

Mylegishangingoff · 23/05/2025 23:27

MusedeBordeaux · 23/05/2025 18:28

I am forever changed by this genocide.

Nothing will change the fact that I have seen dead babies, burnt, limbless, and left to rot... Children, so traumatised I had to look away. Children, left orphaned, subject to more bombing, children who mostly won't survive - given Israel's intent.

We are born of soul. Not understanding what is happening to the Palestinians is your lookout.

Same. I've seen suffering that I never imagined was possible.

There are children whose names I will never know but whose death will stay with me for life.

In the future I think it would be great if there was a website or something dedicated to the victims. A photo, a few lines about them, a way for their lives to be remembered. It doesn't seem possible though when 100s of entire bloodlines have been wiped out and there is no one left to tell their stories. It's incredibly sad that these individuals deaths are reduced down to a line like 145 Palestinians were killed today in a refugee camp bombing and that's it. The next day will be another number and those people killed in the previous day will just be forgotten.