To be horrified that Israel is slaughtering children at a rate not seen in over 20 years? (thread 2)

Not at all. The problem is Hamas, their terrorist affiliates and their supporters, don’t distinguish themselves from civilians or protect civilians by carrying out their activities away from civilian areas.

Why do not Hamas not breakdown the number of operatives in the death tolls they produce? So far this war has ONLY killed civilians according to them. Mainly women and children of course, as it seems that the men must have all fled whenever the IDF carries out an operation.

I really would like to see verified evidence of the IDF targeting civilians yes.

Obviously I don’t want to see violence and death but I have questioned if I’m supporting the right side due to the quite shocking global minimisation of Oct 7th, immediate marches and protests condemning Israel from the beginning of the war, and the hostages STILL being held in Gaza.

Especially the silence of the UN on the Oct 7th atrocities, (occasionally wonder if I’m missing something!) including the gang rapes and the holding of young children hostage.

I am quite able to capable of changing my mind though as I have no loyalties either way.

Please link some actual evidence such as video showing the IDF targeting civilians, with the IDF clearly identifiable.

It amazes me why people don’t understand why the press are not allowed in Gaza tbh. It’s not as if they can be kept safe with terrorists running around among civilians (it’s not like normal conflict zones where they’d only be in certain areas) and with the standard of reporting so far it would hardly be unbiased, and may hamper, or put IDF soldiers in danger.

Who needs the press when we have Gazans live streaming it anyway. Lots of PRESS vests available there, They only have to put one on and hey presto, they’re a journalist!

CrunchyKnees from what you have posted you clearly cannot distinguish the difference between individuals involved in combat and the millions of civilians caught in the middle. This is sadly why many Israelis justify the starvation and mass bombing of civilians and civilians infrastructure and shooting of children and aid workers. There certainly is verified evidence of IDF attacking civilians if you really want to see it which you clearly don’t. this is even with Israel attacking journalists and preventing press reporting.

change the name of the country from Israel to the USA.

Bear in mind there’s lots of posts here stating that Israel lies about everything and no one believes them.

Some believe the atrocities of Oct 7th are a lie so if posters are offended by an alternative viewpoint, please explain why?

No I want verified evidence of these alleged war crimes taking place.

Where are the videos of the Apaches attacking civilians?

Why are there no videos of the IDF actually carrying out all these atrocities when there are so many videos of the aftermath?

Absolutely I don’t believe a group of people who are:

• indoctrinated to want the annihilation of their neighbours and for their children to be martyrs for that cause,
• who elected a terrorist group with a mandate to kill Jews as their government,
• who have been carrying out terrorist and rocket attacks against their neighbours for decades,
• who carried out worst terrorist attack in the world on their neighbours,
• who take babies hostage, strangle them to death, mutilate their bodies, and with the support of all the Jew haters in the world, are emboldened to make a public, televised pantomime of handing over their broken bodies after holding them hostage for over a year,
• whose civilians hold their neighbour’s civilians hostage in their own homes and use them as slaves,
• who started a war they could only win by correctly banking on useful idiots with an agenda, and Jew haters, to lap up their propaganda.

Who’s the gullible one here?

I have seen nothing as there is nothing to see.

Why on earth would you ask if I’ve served in the IDF?

Do you think only Israelis have opinions similar to mine?

Sadly not at all, a land grab was always part of the plan. And of course Trump gave the green light.

No, we are not. I suspect it was intended from the start of the war but now they have the manic Trump's support, it has just made it easier.

Israel has just announced they are stealing some land from Gaza, are we surprised?

https://www.irishtimes.com/world/middle-east/2025/04/02/gaza-strip-israel-hamas-war/

So you don't believe the woman and child who said their family were fired on by the IDF in an Apache helicopter or are you claiming the Hamas have stolen helicopters too?

What about this medic who said he saw at least 3 of the bodies were bound.

Quote from The Irish Times “I was able to see three bodies when they were transferred to the Nasser hospital. They had bullets in their chest and head. They were executed. They had their hands tied,” he said. “They tied them so they were unable to move and then they killed them.”
He provided photographs he said he had taken of one of the dead on arrival at the hospital. The pictures show a hand at the end of a long-sleeved black shirt with a black cord knotted around the wrist.
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Another witness, an official from an international aid agency who took part in the recovery of remains from Rafah on Sunday, also said they saw evidence of one of the dead having been shot after being detained.
“I saw the bodies with my own eyes when we found them in the mass grave,” the witness, who did not want his name used for his own safety, said. “They had signs of multiple shots in the chest. One of them had legs tied. One was shot in the head. They were executed.”

https://www.irishtimes.com/world/middle-east/2025/04/02/palestinian-paramedics-shot-by-israeli-forces-had-hands-tied-eyewitnesses-say/

The UN has collected such a large amount of evidence that there is an international arrest warrant out for Netanyahu, photos, eye witness acounts and thousands of children's bodies riddled with Israeli bullets. There are even IDF soldiers that have broken rank and spoken about crimes committed by Israel. I suspect that no matter what evidence we presented you would call it a lie. You say your relative flew and operated an Apache Helicopter, did you serve in the IDF? Perhaps you could give us an account of things you have seen.

If the Israeli government is losing public support both internally and worldwide, then they only have their own actions to blame.

Israel doesn't need Hamas to demonise them. They have demonised themselves through their brutality shown to the Palestinians both in Gaza and in the west bank.

Israel absolutely have been targeting aid workers as we know from many instances. Women and children are dying in unprecedented numbers and they still have Gaza under seige. I don't know how anyone can support the slaughter of the Palestinians or excuse it.

No that is absolutely not proof enough. Just the fact you have stated that it is kind of proves my point.

Even the UK Parliamentary Report states that IDF weapons and munitions were stolen in the Oct 7th invasion. Do you really not think Hamas would use them on their own civilians to blame on Israel?

Israel has undoubtedly killed civilians and children in this war but a deliberate policy of targeting women and children? Pull the other one.

I never said a medic would make stuff up. They do rely on what they’re TOLD happened by the people who brought the injured in and will obviously repeat that.

We know that the only way Hamas (et al) had any way of being victorious in this war was by using SM and ‘testimonies’ to demonise Israel and manufacture global outrage and hatred towards Jewish people. They have been very successful.

Nope, still no evidence that the IDF deliberately targeted and killed 15 innocent ambulance men who were not terrorists in disguise. Not like Hamas has been documented as using ambulances to get around to evade the IDF is it?
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There are dead children with Israeli bullets in them is that proof enough. Also the Irish surgeon was on a humanitarian mission - he has no reason to make stuff up. I tend to believe independent surgeons who dedicate their lives to saving other people’s lives over a regime that has a death count of well over 50,000. There have been countless reports from independent people from around the world documenting the war crimes. Find me an account of ANY international doctor based in Gaza that verifies Israel’s innocence. Israel has blocked journalists and camera crews from going into Gaza!

In the case of the 15 dead paramedics and buried vehicles one of the paramedics was on a call to a colleague asking for help when the IDF arrived on the scene.

Quote from the Guardian - “He informed us that he was injured and requested assistance, and that another person was also injured,” Murad said. “A few minutes later, during the call, we heard the sound of Israeli soldiers arriving at the location, speaking in Hebrew. The conversation was about gathering the team, with statements like: ‘Gather them at the wall and bring some restraints to tie them.’ This indicated that a large number of the medical staff were still alive.”

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/mar/31/israel-killed-15-palestinian-paramedics-and-rescue-workers-one-by-one-says-un

Where is the photo documentation proving the deliberate targeting you speak of then? Not in that video.

Rachel Corrie deliberately laid down in front of a bulldozer! That was just about the dumbest thing I’d ever heard and if I was her mother, I would be absolutely furious at her for her insane disregard for her own life and for what?

Suicidal empathy is a very dangerous thing.

Can you provide evidence via links of videos, not ‘testimonies’, showing the IDF binding the arms and legs of paramedics, lining them up against a wall, shooting them and crushing and burying their ambulances.

That would have taken some time and there are plenty of people with phones streaming videos and pictures non stop from Gaza so I’m sure someone must have caught at least a bit of it in this densely populated and very small area.

The IDF are the ones wearing uniforms so can be clearly distinguished from civilians and Hamas.

Also any videos of the Apache helicopter targeting kids?

Having a close relative who flew and operated the weapons on these, the operators are highly trained and are very precise. That just wouldn’t happen and didn’t.

@ThisNattyTurtle “How are 2,000lb dumb bombs dropped on apartment blocks -targeted? How?”

Beacuse the terrorists have been identified as being in/under the building.
The IDF send warning by dropping a dud on the roof first, and they expect people to evacuate.
This is why there are so many videos of the buildings getting hit. Everyone knows which building and when.
That’s how.

Wow missed this one - how ludicrous. The figures that are quoted throughout this thread by those who support Palestinian’s right to life are from independent organisations. Israel’s figures are not verified by anyone other than Israel.

Also implying that those who believe the independently verified figures over the ones given by Israel are lacking in intelligence is ridiculous. Ireland has the most educated population in the EU, 56% of people have University degrees while the EU average is 35%. Ireland has shown strong opposition to Israel’s genocide with most of the population and politicians openly supporting Palestine. Those who read widely and look at a variety of sources can see that Israel is committing war crimes on a massive scale.

My own take would be people who support what the Israeli government are currently doing in the face of international condemnation.

The number are horrific and totally unacceptable. It’s not simply a case of “war is always horrific “. At least 322 children killed since Israel's new Gaza offensive, Unicef says https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c0r5827dke1o

Stable equilibrium since 2006? What planet are you on. 2014 was a summer of horrific bombing and that’s just for a start.

People who support Israel are 'revolting'? What do you mean by 'suppprt'? Because if you mean support Israel's right to exist you are calling most Jewish people 'revolting'.