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What does 'Free Palestine' mean to you?

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TwigletsAndRadishes · 22/03/2025 17:25

I just read that Rachel Zegler shared the trailer for Snow White and commented attached to it, '....and always remember, free Palestine.'

It just got me thinking, what does 'Free Palestine' or 'A Free Palestine' mean to you?

What is it you would want to see in order to be satisfied that Palestine is free and Palestinians are free?

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Superfoodie123 · 22/03/2025 23:25

Martymcfly24 · 22/03/2025 22:53

And you have to pay yourself to demolish your house so I can build my new house on it .

And if you show any kind of rage you are a terrorist who hates Jews.

Icanthinkformyselfthanks · 22/03/2025 23:18

@TwigletsAndRadishes , firstly one has to confront the elephant in the room which is that Palestine as a state is a deeply contentious issue. Then I think we must address what ‘Palestine’ wishes to be freed from. Then and this is vital we must have an answer to the question of the commitment of the interested parties to find and live in a lasting and harmonious peace. The freedom of all the people of that area will never come until peace matters more than hatred.

Martymcfly24 · 22/03/2025 22:59

WORKERbeen · 22/03/2025 22:51

Yep, and I will like to add the total indoctrination of Palestinians to support them

Have you ever read the book "I am Pilgrim" . It is not about Palestine but Afghanistan (I think).

Anyway it follows the story of a man who becomes radicalized against America after seeing his father beheaded and subsequently goes on to carry out a terrorist attack.

Israels actions are creating more support for Hamas than they could themselves.

Remember
17000 orphans .
Highest number of child amputees per capita.

Martymcfly24 · 22/03/2025 22:53

LoyalAquaOtter · 22/03/2025 22:51

I have an amazing offer for you. I keep your house and you get the garden shed. You would be a fool to turn it down(because if you do I will kill, imprison and torture your family for decades to come). It's an amazing offer though, seriously.

And you have to pay yourself to demolish your house so I can build my new house on it .

Obeseandashamed · 22/03/2025 22:52

To me it is a situation where Palestinians can roam freely with access to the same opportunities and rights as Israelis.

WORKERbeen · 22/03/2025 22:51

OppsUpsSide · 22/03/2025 20:29

Free Palestine from Hamas

Yep, and I will like to add the total indoctrination of Palestinians to support them

Whatsinanamehey · 22/03/2025 22:51

Whatsinanamehey · 22/03/2025 22:50

'You reap what you sow'

Where does that leave the country who has killed thousands and thousands of Palestinian children in the past months?

@GoldenStrawberry I hope you realise how twisted your words sound when they are directed the other way.

LoyalAquaOtter · 22/03/2025 22:51

GoldenStrawberry · 22/03/2025 22:27

And do you know why Mahmoud Abbas is serving his twenty-first year of a four-year term? Because he and the rest of his PA cronies know that if the West Bank were to hold an election tomorrow Hamas would wipe the floor with them and win by a landslide. Polls shows that Hamas are even more popular in the West Bank than they are in Gaza.

And as for your settlements comment, there wouldn’t even be any settlements there today if the Palestinian leadership had accepted any of the amazing peace offers to partition the land presented to them in the last few decades. You reap what you sow.

I have an amazing offer for you. I keep your house and you get the garden shed. You would be a fool to turn it down(because if you do I will kill, imprison and torture your family for decades to come). It's an amazing offer though, seriously.

Whatsinanamehey · 22/03/2025 22:50

'You reap what you sow'

Where does that leave the country who has killed thousands and thousands of Palestinian children in the past months?

Whatsinanamehey · 22/03/2025 22:49

Wow and then posters have the audacity to say a says there aren't any comments justifying violence and oppression against Palestinians by Israelis.

Martymcfly24 · 22/03/2025 22:44

@GoldenStrawberry

On average of 4 settler violent attacks in the West Bank a day (1400 since Oct 7th)

13 children murdered this year.(It's March)

Israeli settlers burned a mosque in December and spray painted "Death to Arabs" on it.

Palestinian police are forbidden from reacting to settler violence.

But it's their own fault "you reap what you sow". If only they did what they were told in the past.

Martymcfly24 · 22/03/2025 22:35

MounjaroDisappointment · 22/03/2025 22:18

Lets be honest here, it they meant Free Gaza and the West Bank they wouldn’t be saying Free Palestine which refers to the geographical region which encompasses Israel.

Or maybe that’s too many words to remember in a chant or put into a slogan?

Why isn’t it Free the Palestinians? Only a few letters more.

Israelis seem to be pretty free within Israel so I don’t thing it means them. They’re just at risk of being torn to pieces like in Ramallah in 2000, or taken hostage if they step into Gaza, like the two young men recently released who were held hostage for 10 years. There are even warning signs instructing Israelis not to enter which I found pretty shocking.

The Ask Project series of videos on YouTube where Palestinians in the West Bsnk and Israelis in Israel were interviewed for their views on a two state solution is eye opening I have to say, although unsurprising.

I would urge anyone interested in what the question in the OP means to Palestinians themselves to watch it.

How do you feel about the actions of the current Israeli government, your posts indicate you are a pacifist who is against anyone being hurt or taken hostage?

Do you agree with a campaign that has left nearly 60,000 (disproportionately women and children)dead at the hands of the IDF?

GoldenStrawberry · 22/03/2025 22:27

Whatsinanamehey · 22/03/2025 21:52

Is the occupied west bank free too? Even though Hamas isn't ruling there. There's plenty of Jewish settler terrorists though burning down mosques and Palestinian properly, aided and enabled by the IDF.

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And do you know why Mahmoud Abbas is serving his twenty-first year of a four-year term? Because he and the rest of his PA cronies know that if the West Bank were to hold an election tomorrow Hamas would wipe the floor with them and win by a landslide. Polls shows that Hamas are even more popular in the West Bank than they are in Gaza.

And as for your settlements comment, there wouldn’t even be any settlements there today if the Palestinian leadership had accepted any of the amazing peace offers to partition the land presented to them in the last few decades. You reap what you sow.

TwigletsAndRadishes · 22/03/2025 22:24

MounjaroDisappointment · 22/03/2025 22:18

Lets be honest here, it they meant Free Gaza and the West Bank they wouldn’t be saying Free Palestine which refers to the geographical region which encompasses Israel.

Or maybe that’s too many words to remember in a chant or put into a slogan?

Why isn’t it Free the Palestinians? Only a few letters more.

Israelis seem to be pretty free within Israel so I don’t thing it means them. They’re just at risk of being torn to pieces like in Ramallah in 2000, or taken hostage if they step into Gaza, like the two young men recently released who were held hostage for 10 years. There are even warning signs instructing Israelis not to enter which I found pretty shocking.

The Ask Project series of videos on YouTube where Palestinians in the West Bsnk and Israelis in Israel were interviewed for their views on a two state solution is eye opening I have to say, although unsurprising.

I would urge anyone interested in what the question in the OP means to Palestinians themselves to watch it.

I will definitely do that, thanks.

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MissyB1 · 22/03/2025 22:20

Martymcfly24 · 22/03/2025 20:28

To me it means a two state solution where Israel and Palestine are merely neighbouring states. Israel will not have control over the water/electricity/movement of people/ taxes/ Internet/ imports etc.

Both countries will accept their borders and not seek to increase their land mass.

Palestine will have full control of it's people and parliament and be recognized by the world as an independent state.

But a special relationship will exist between the two that respects their integrated traditions and history.
Like Ireland and England.

This 👆

NoWayNoandNever · 22/03/2025 22:19

It means hassle. Work related.

LoyalAquaOtter · 22/03/2025 22:18

Azureshores · 22/03/2025 22:11

All they need to do is hand back the hostages...hamas are doing this to their people.

It's like we are stuck in groundhog day. Talk about 'soundbites'. Then what happens @Azureshores suddenly Israel grow a conscience and stop killing Palestinians, they stop putting Palestinians including children in administrative detention, they return the West Bank to Palestinians and stop their occupation, they stop the collective punishment of Palestinians in Gaza, they stop controlling Palestinians water supplies etc etc? Or Hamas return the hostages and Israel go back to the status quo of killing Palestinians quietly instead of with the world watching?

Of course hostages should be released but stupid statements like all they need to do is hand back the hostages like that will fix everything rather than just fix things for Israel are growing real old.

GoldenStrawberry · 22/03/2025 22:18

Whatsinanamehey · 22/03/2025 21:06

Free Palestine from Israeli occupation and oppression.

So when this country comes into being-the “Free Palestine” you speak of-will it be a truly free, democratic, pluralistic, liberal country, or will it only be a country that’s just “free” of Jews?

MounjaroDisappointment · 22/03/2025 22:18

TwigletsAndRadishes · 22/03/2025 21:42

So by 'Palestine' what geographic area or areas in total are we talking about here? When most people talk about Palestine do they just mean Gaza and the West Bank? Or do they mean the land that is Israel as well? Was that considered Palestine by Palestinians before the modern state of Israel was formed? Is the aim to have a two state solution, or a one state solution where Israel no longer exists? Would Palestine ever be considered 'free' by most people who call for 'a free Palestine' while Israel exists?

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Lets be honest here, it they meant Free Gaza and the West Bank they wouldn’t be saying Free Palestine which refers to the geographical region which encompasses Israel.

Or maybe that’s too many words to remember in a chant or put into a slogan?

Why isn’t it Free the Palestinians? Only a few letters more.

Israelis seem to be pretty free within Israel so I don’t thing it means them. They’re just at risk of being torn to pieces like in Ramallah in 2000, or taken hostage if they step into Gaza, like the two young men recently released who were held hostage for 10 years. There are even warning signs instructing Israelis not to enter which I found pretty shocking.

The Ask Project series of videos on YouTube where Palestinians in the West Bsnk and Israelis in Israel were interviewed for their views on a two state solution is eye opening I have to say, although unsurprising.

I would urge anyone interested in what the question in the OP means to Palestinians themselves to watch it.

Echobelly · 22/03/2025 22:16

Martymcfly24 · 22/03/2025 20:28

To me it means a two state solution where Israel and Palestine are merely neighbouring states. Israel will not have control over the water/electricity/movement of people/ taxes/ Internet/ imports etc.

Both countries will accept their borders and not seek to increase their land mass.

Palestine will have full control of it's people and parliament and be recognized by the world as an independent state.

But a special relationship will exist between the two that respects their integrated traditions and history.
Like Ireland and England.

Basically my view as well, as a Jewish person. Palestine recognised as a country, with its own government.

I don't see it as meaning the destruction of Israel, although doubtless some will use it that way. I don't find the use of it threatening.

Martymcfly24 · 22/03/2025 22:15

Azureshores · 22/03/2025 22:11

All they need to do is hand back the hostages...hamas are doing this to their people.

If Netanyahu cared about the hostages he would have negotiated to Phase 2 in which the remaining hostages would have been released instead of resuming the killing.
This is why the hostages families are protesting against the actions.

Azureshores · 22/03/2025 22:11

Martymcfly24 · 22/03/2025 21:39

Well just let the Israelis kill all the Palestinians horrifically instead so?

As they are doing right at this moment.
Much better solution.

All they need to do is hand back the hostages...hamas are doing this to their people.

Superfoodie123 · 22/03/2025 22:10

ParsnipPuree · 22/03/2025 20:50

I just roll my eyes when I see it thinking they’re either anti semites or useful idiots who have no understanding of the situation.

Yes because people who believe a nation who have been oppressed since 1948, routinely murdered, food controlled, guarded with Israeli army all around them in a prison and now being genocided deserve to live in dignity and freedom are all antisemitic. Keep peddling this BS no one buys it anymore

Martymcfly24 · 22/03/2025 22:09

Anyone who thinks that dismantling Israel and ethnically cleaning Israelis is ok is not someone's opinion I would listen too. I'm sure they exist, but best ignored.

However I do note it is acceptable on Mumsnet to not give the same respect to Palestinians, many agree openly with Trump's plan, many say that Palestinians can't be trusted with a state and that a two state solution will not work, that a ceasefire will not work etc.
Even the concept of a Free Palestine on this thread has been denigrated as a souundbite by "useful idiots".