Please or to access all these features

Conflict in the Middle East

What does 'Free Palestine' mean to you?

107 replies

TwigletsAndRadishes · 22/03/2025 17:25

I just read that Rachel Zegler shared the trailer for Snow White and commented attached to it, '....and always remember, free Palestine.'

It just got me thinking, what does 'Free Palestine' or 'A Free Palestine' mean to you?

What is it you would want to see in order to be satisfied that Palestine is free and Palestinians are free?

OP posts:
New posts on this thread. Refresh page
EasterIssland · 26/03/2025 12:17

ParsnipPuree · 26/03/2025 09:41

Food controlled?😂 Why is it Israel’s responsibility to feed Palestinians who come into their country to rape, mutilate and take hostages?? I don’t think anyone buys your bullshit anymore either.

Is Israel feeding them? Because I believe the aid is coming from other parts of the world. Everything Israel has to do is to let that aid in.
Quite different to Israel feeding them.

shame you find a war crime so funny that you need to put a laughing emoticon in your comment.

Odras · 26/03/2025 11:17

Very brave people as previous protests have been violently suppressed.

MushMonster · 26/03/2025 10:46

https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2025/mar/26/anti-hamas-protests-gaza-israel-hamdan-ballal-middle-east-crisis-live

Very happy to see this today in the newspaper. That was missing in all this. Because, let's not forget that the same guys that treated israeli civilians so cruelly are in charge of the Gaza civilians, fully armed and fully wild. Glad the Gazans are starting to feel that freedom, the freedom to speak your mind. This is what will destroy Hamas, no bullets or bombs will.
A free Palestine, for me, will be an State free of those who give a damn shit about them, so Hamas. And with full borders, international recognition, rights to banking, trade, nationality, education, health. All run by them and only them. They can give a visa to the head of the UN to make it to their own soil any time they want. And respected by Israel, who I would expect to remain within its own borders.
They will need a transition period, to get to a proper elections stage.

Middle East crisis live: hundreds join anti-Hamas protest in Gaza

Demonstrators in Beit Lahia called for an end to the war with Israel, shouting ‘Hamas out’, amid the IDF’s intense bombing campaign

https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2025/mar/26/anti-hamas-protests-gaza-israel-hamdan-ballal-middle-east-crisis-live

Whatsinanamehey · 26/03/2025 10:01

And they are still bombing entire residential buildings and civilians sleeping on the streets because their homes have been bombed. Scum!

Whatsinanamehey · 26/03/2025 09:59

ParsnipPuree · 26/03/2025 09:41

Food controlled?😂 Why is it Israel’s responsibility to feed Palestinians who come into their country to rape, mutilate and take hostages?? I don’t think anyone buys your bullshit anymore either.

Israel is breaking international law by blockading all food and supplies into Gaza. You do know that Israel doesn't provide this aid? This is aid supplied from other countries that Israel is denying entry into Gaza as they have seized control over all the entries including the Egyptian border entry.
They know that children INNOCENT children will be affected by this but they are too depraved to care. I had to capitalise innocent because too often the extremist rhetoric of no innocents in Gaza is spouted on this board.

ParsnipPuree · 26/03/2025 09:41

Superfoodie123 · 22/03/2025 22:10

Yes because people who believe a nation who have been oppressed since 1948, routinely murdered, food controlled, guarded with Israeli army all around them in a prison and now being genocided deserve to live in dignity and freedom are all antisemitic. Keep peddling this BS no one buys it anymore

Food controlled?😂 Why is it Israel’s responsibility to feed Palestinians who come into their country to rape, mutilate and take hostages?? I don’t think anyone buys your bullshit anymore either.

ButterfliesnWaterfalls · 25/03/2025 04:10

Free Palestine 🇵🇸

Free Palestine from Genocide.

“There is no understanding Gaza out of context — Hamas rockets or unjustifiable terrorist attacks on civilians — and that context is the longest ongoing ethnic cleansing operation in the recent and present centuries, the ongoing attempt to destroy Palestinian nationhood.”

https://drgabormate.com/beautiful-dream-israel-become-nightmare/

israel

Israel: The Beautiful Dream has become a Nightmare by Dr. Gabor Maté

The mutual pain in Israel and Palestine is so acute the its citizens are forced to act out in an endless cycle of perpetration and retribution.

https://drgabormate.com/beautiful-dream-israel-become-nightmare/

MissyB1 · 24/03/2025 17:02

SomeWomanSomewhere · 24/03/2025 16:58

I mean, call me bonkers but: anything short of a genocidal onslaught sounds like a pretty solid approach?

In all seriousness: how did countries such as the UK, Spain and others react to the likes of PIRA or the ETA Militar? Basically: more like that!

Exactly! I always think it's a bit odd when people say "well what else could Israel do except kill 50,000 people and destroy every home/school/hospital"

Really???

SomeWomanSomewhere · 24/03/2025 16:58

inamarina · 24/03/2025 11:31

So how should have Israel reacted to October 7th in your opinion?

I mean, call me bonkers but: anything short of a genocidal onslaught sounds like a pretty solid approach?

In all seriousness: how did countries such as the UK, Spain and others react to the likes of PIRA or the ETA Militar? Basically: more like that!

MissyB1 · 24/03/2025 11:45

inamarina · 24/03/2025 11:31

So how should have Israel reacted to October 7th in your opinion?

Negotiated to get the hostages back. Maybe asking a neutral party to help with the negotiations, and to also negotiate a long term peace plan.

Trying to bomb an ideology out of existence hasn't worked out that well, and has resulted in the death of some of the hostages.

inamarina · 24/03/2025 11:31

SomeWomanSomewhere · 23/03/2025 21:58

So, should Palestinians just sit back and let an ethnosupremacist, brutal occupying power humiliate and harrass and kidnap (sorry, "legally arrest and hold in detention and/or convict under martial law" - in the same sense that Apartheid and Jim Crow were "legal"), at will and shoot to kill them again and again and again then?

Your framing is fundamentally dishonest!

Edited

So how should have Israel reacted to October 7th in your opinion?

Theworried2 · 24/03/2025 01:25

To me it means a Palestine free of Hamas and any terrorist ideology. A peaceful democratic place which doesn’t threaten its neighbours.

MounjaroDisappointment · 24/03/2025 01:12

This reply has been deleted

Message deleted by MNHQ. Here's a link to our Talk Guidelines.

FairlyTired · 23/03/2025 23:29

Whatsinanamehey · 22/03/2025 21:06

Free Palestine from Israeli occupation and oppression.

And from hamas presumably?

ScrollingLeaves · 23/03/2025 23:23

LittleBigHead · 23/03/2025 12:12

And using the words "final solution" is disgusting.

But that's the language Hamas, Hezbollah, and the PLO before them use: they want to wipe Israel from the face of the earth. It's the first element of all the manifestoes of those groups.

You need to face facts about the deep Jew-hatred of those groups [supposedly] speaking for the Palestinian people. And that's it anti-semitism which is tacitly supported by the West.

Hamas is awful and despicable, and the massacres they carried out on Oct 7 against Israel and the capturing of innocent people for ransome is indefensible. But I have never seen as much hatred and intent to unnecessarily wipe out another far weaker people - by a Western style ( and fully Western backed) democratic, nuclear armed sovereign country - as is being demonstrated right now by Israel* towards the Palestinians, (including in a general way in the West Bank without any hostages there to ‘release by military pressure’).

On the news this week I saw a Likud member seem to gloat over what ‘Unleashing Hell’ in Gaza would look like.

Maybe you can see how, given the Israeli actions on the Palestinian people that has actually been accompanying this pronouncement, “Seeing what unleashing Hell looks like” does not sound all that dissimilar to the obscene phrase you refer to - just to a different people. Israel’s actions look just as much like indefensible terrorism and savagery as Hamas/Palestinian Jihad’s - but this time using more sophisticated methods against many thousands more.

The general oppression of Palestinians by Israelis did not all only begin on Oct 7 either, even if Hamas’s attack effectively constituted a declaration of war against Israel. You can see that even if you only look at ‘Breaking the Silence’ and accounts from the former IDF soldiers telling the truth. These soldiers are not so easy for Israelis to dismiss for not telling them what they like to hear as the other non-mainstream Israeli news outlets seem to be. ( For the main Israeli news cover-ups see +972 Magazine
How Israeli journalists carry out PR for the army
https://www.972mag.com/israeli-journalists-pr-army-october-7

As for the Palestinians’ attitude towards Israelis now, how likely are they to have improved feelings towards them in preference to Hamas after this?
Hamas is an ideology as much as a group made up of a finite number of bodies that can eventually be eliminated and it may just grow even bigger as a movement

The Likud party, currently de facto controlling Netanyahu, has as its manifesto that Israel should have all the land including any that ever was supposed to be Palestinian. From the river to the sea. No Palestine on the map. Netanyahu has been working tirelessly for years against any two state solution which is why he previously backed Hamas and split any power from the Palestinian authority. He and his backers do not care about the hostages. All of this is not to get hostages back.

(*By ”Israel” I mean the current governing power and the extremists, not all Israelis.)

SomeWomanSomewhere · 23/03/2025 21:58

inamarina · 23/03/2025 21:37

So should Israel just sit back and let October 7th happen again and again?
It wasn’t even an attack on a military base or similar, but an absolutely vicious assault on peaceful civilians.
If Hamas aren’t planning to change their behaviour, can’t you see why Israel might want to annihilate them?

So, should Palestinians just sit back and let an ethnosupremacist, brutal occupying power humiliate and harrass and kidnap (sorry, "legally arrest and hold in detention and/or convict under martial law" - in the same sense that Apartheid and Jim Crow were "legal"), at will and shoot to kill them again and again and again then?

Your framing is fundamentally dishonest!

Odras · 23/03/2025 21:56

But Israel is killing many more civilians? The previous hostilities did not annihilate them anyway - it’s merely pushed more people into their arms. What is going to be different this time?

I think it’s wrong that so many people are suffering. What is the end goal here? They have broken the ceasefire and they have rejected the Arab plan? Where is the path to peace.

inamarina · 23/03/2025 21:37

Odras · 23/03/2025 21:20

@inamarina But they don’t have the capacity to do it. Who is in danger of being wiped out here?

Hamas seem to pose the exact same sized threat to Israel has they ever did. So what is all the killing going to achieve anyway?

So should Israel just sit back and let October 7th happen again and again?
It wasn’t even an attack on a military base or similar, but an absolutely vicious assault on peaceful civilians.
If Hamas aren’t planning to change their behaviour, can’t you see why Israel might want to annihilate them?

Martymcfly24 · 23/03/2025 21:24

inamarina · 23/03/2025 20:32

Nobody is talking about wiping Israel.

That’s not true though. Hamas leaders have repeatedly spoken about doing exactly that. A senior Hamas official said in an interview in October 2023 that Hamas aims to repeat the October 7th attack until Israel is annihilated.
Whether or not they have the capacity to achieve their goal is a different matter, but their ideology and past behavior definitely suggest a continuous threat.

Israeli politicians have also said this, and as we have seen they have the capacity and international support to do so which is very worrying.

Odras · 23/03/2025 21:20

@inamarina But they don’t have the capacity to do it. Who is in danger of being wiped out here?

Hamas seem to pose the exact same sized threat to Israel has they ever did. So what is all the killing going to achieve anyway?

LittleBigHead · 23/03/2025 20:39

Exactly @inamarina

And anyone who thinks that the organised Jew-hating groups such as PLO , Hamas, Hezbollah and so on are going to change is dangerously naive.

inamarina · 23/03/2025 20:32

Odras · 23/03/2025 18:56

Nobody is talking about wiping Israel. Hamas don’t have the ability to do it. That is not being discussed as a plan. It’s simply not on the cards at all. Israel is not going to be wiped out.

In the meantime, 1 in 46 in Gaza are dead. There is the highest number per capita of child amputees in the world. Most of it is destroyed and now Israel are dropping dump bombs on these people.

Who is at risk of being wiped out here?

Nobody is talking about wiping Israel.

That’s not true though. Hamas leaders have repeatedly spoken about doing exactly that. A senior Hamas official said in an interview in October 2023 that Hamas aims to repeat the October 7th attack until Israel is annihilated.
Whether or not they have the capacity to achieve their goal is a different matter, but their ideology and past behavior definitely suggest a continuous threat.

Odras · 23/03/2025 18:56

LittleBigHead · 23/03/2025 12:12

And using the words "final solution" is disgusting.

But that's the language Hamas, Hezbollah, and the PLO before them use: they want to wipe Israel from the face of the earth. It's the first element of all the manifestoes of those groups.

You need to face facts about the deep Jew-hatred of those groups [supposedly] speaking for the Palestinian people. And that's it anti-semitism which is tacitly supported by the West.

Nobody is talking about wiping Israel. Hamas don’t have the ability to do it. That is not being discussed as a plan. It’s simply not on the cards at all. Israel is not going to be wiped out.

In the meantime, 1 in 46 in Gaza are dead. There is the highest number per capita of child amputees in the world. Most of it is destroyed and now Israel are dropping dump bombs on these people.

Who is at risk of being wiped out here?

LittleBigHead · 23/03/2025 12:12

And using the words "final solution" is disgusting.

But that's the language Hamas, Hezbollah, and the PLO before them use: they want to wipe Israel from the face of the earth. It's the first element of all the manifestoes of those groups.

You need to face facts about the deep Jew-hatred of those groups [supposedly] speaking for the Palestinian people. And that's it anti-semitism which is tacitly supported by the West.

TwigletsAndRadishes · 23/03/2025 11:17

Scirocco · 23/03/2025 10:53

@TwigletsAndRadishes most people I know recognise the reality of Israel's existence and the right of Israel to exist. Freedom for Palestine can happen alongside the continued existence of Israel.

The establishment of the modern state of Israel was relatively recent and there are people alive today who remember being evicted (often violently or under threat of violence) from their homes in those early years of its establishment, as well as people who have been evicted (again, often violently or under threat of violence) in more recent decades. There is a lot of trauma there. People received little in the way of recompense or support. Some people would like a single state (and wouldn't be concerned what it was called) in which all people are citizens with equal rights and equal votes; however, there are concerns about what that would mean for Israel as a Jewish country (eg the population would probably quickly no longer have a majority Jewish demographic and could lose parts of the identity which are so important for many people), what that would mean for security and safety (there have been a lot of harms caused between Palestinians and Israelis, and it could be very hard and unrealistic to expect everyone to be ok with becoming one integrated population), and whether people could be trusted to actually give each other equal respect and rights. A two-state solution is often argued as being more realistic, because there are two populations, both with valid claims and desires to remain in their homeland, neither of whom can be forcibly removed without violating international law, who need a way to co-exist despite decades of conflicts.

Thank you, I think I am broadly in agreement with much of that, again, in theory and with the caveat that my understanding of the complicated background is rather rudimentary. I suppose the concept of one state would be like a united Ireland, but come as far as we have, we are still not at a place where that would be accepted by many, and possibly never will. These old resentments, hatreds and sectarian loyalties get perpetuated through each new generation and as surely as each generation is taught to speak and read and write, it is also taught who to hate, fear or distrust.

OP posts: