330 reported killed so far in today's airstrikes

I have already acknowledged that Israel's actions were awful and unjustifiable but happy to say it again.

But I don't need to start a new thread if I want to respond to a post on this thread and it's not like Hamas are completely irrelevant to what happened last night.

The current population does not mean that they are not being wiped out. Gaza has one of the highest birth rates in the world. Maybe we should blame them for having so many kids, instead of blaming Israel for murdering innocent children? The deflection argument should not be if there is an increase in population, the deaths/injury rates should be used to show that there is nothing "defensive" about Israel's policies.
ETA: I'm glad you brought up the topic of the displaced Palestinians worldwide. They deserve a right to return.

I'm not clear on your answer here, are you meaning you approve of Britain having bombed large areas of civillian Germany just because we would have suffered if we lost?

I don't think anyone on this thread is saying what happened last night is ok or justifiable in any way? It is shocking and tragic.

To criticise Hamas and point out their actions in October were evil too is not the same as saying last night's attack was justifiable.

If we all had a bit more humanity we would be against all violence and evil.

There was a ceasefire.
Israel broke it.
They are perpetuating conflict.

And the little boy staring at the wall for an hour. He lost his entire family.

And there are still people who think little children are terrorists.

My opinion, knowing people who lived through it, that war is hell on earth for everyone involved and you'd better be damn sure why you're starting the fight.That Britain and the allied countries would be terrible places if we lost.
That some people seem keen on perpetuating conflict but would change their tune if they had to live in it.

The thread is specifically about the actions that Israel chose to take last night, the actions that have ended the lives of many children. Maybe you can start a thread to talk about Hamas elsewhere if it is important to you? Or you could at least acknowledge how awful and unjustifiable Israels actions last night were?

I saw those too. The poor little boy who must have died in terror. The small baby laying dead in their little rainbow covered babygrow. It's beyond words. I feel so angry and sad that this is happening again.

It would be great if people could stop the bickering and the justification and just allow these children and their families to be thought of today.

The violence last night came from Israel's side.

But if people on this thread are going to talk about evil actions, Hamas are culpable too.

I'm pleased that you are happy to condemn Hamas as see too many people on these threads unwilling to condemn them and not wishing to dwell on the barbaric things that happened on October 7th.

Like you, I have no connection with either side & I'm definitely not shrugging my shoulders about 400 people getting killed. I don't think this latest killing is justified so there is no reason to question my psychology.

It just stood out for me when @BelleHathor said Fuck Trump, Netanyahu, Fuck the IDF and referred to pure evil that they left Hamas out of the list. As I said in response to that post, two wrongs don't make a right but surely it's Fuck Hamas too.

The hostages forum are protesting right now because of the danger their loved ones are in right now.

I don't justify this. I'd say it's unjustified to restart at this point. I'm so sad to hear of yet more death and destruction. I'm worried for the hostages aswell, I'm worried they'll hear the bombing and reasonably conclude they are not an priority for Netanyahu. The whole thing is an unending fucking tragedy. Sorry if my posts suggested otherwise today.

Which is my point. In this war people seem unable to objectively look at both sides. Where did I say I do not feel it?
I'm pointing out that this is unfortunately standard in wars and people seem to be forgetting that and unable to look objectively at the situation in a way most people can with other situations (eg ww2).

Netanyahu will be over the moon today, he managed to kill and injure hundreds of Palestinians and Ben Gvir is now returning to government with his party.

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For Netanyahu and his equally evil cronies this was only ever about power and land. The hostages lives were never even a consideration.

Palestinians have been resorting to terrorism and violence in support of their political goals for many decades. And their stated political goal has always been the destruction of Israel. Not their own state- but just the destruction of Israel. Before Hamas, PLO, Black September and numerous others. Israeli citizens have been constantly attacked.

Painting such a complex situation as purely Israeli aggression is ignorant. But that's what the terrorists would have you believe so...

They were bombed before the pre dawn meal.

I saw one mother crying her children had died hungry as they had only a few beans to eat. She lost all her children plus her husband.

I've seen babies lying dead on the cold hospital floor... A dead little boy who had visibly wet himself.

I saw a dead baby lying on top of his dead mother.

How can anyone justify this? It's ethnic cleansing, nothing else.

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There has been a distinct lack of sympathy for the victims here.

I absolutely feel for the hostages families today after torture for 18 months (I have condemned Hamas many times here) to know how absolutely close they were to having them home and it might all be scuppered now by megalomaniac actions of evil men.

We have the terrible double act of Trump and Netanyahu murdering scum.

Awful comment. 'Bleating about hostages'

Innocent people caught up in this terrible conflict on both sides. You can show support for gazan casualties without demeaning those innocent on the other side.

What is your opinion on how Britain acted in WW2?