Egypt proposes $53bn Gaza rebuild as alternative to Trump plan

Hopefully. Once they get rid of Hamas.

They are occupying East Jerusalem, don't you know? It's not Israeli land, its occupied Palestinian land.

They don't currently have Jerusalem 'to give up' 🙄

Thanks @statsfun do you think this plan is doable?

I hope all those people who were going on and on about well whose going to even want to re-build Gaza, will read this. I said from the start, the Arab states will on the condition that it leads to a Palestinian future state and Israel isn't just going to bomb the whole strip again.

They don't have Jerusalem.

You must be having a laugh if you think the Palestinians and the Muslims will give up Al Quds.

Yes, it is important to the Muslims as well... because it was already the Jewish Holy land, and Islam (like Christianity before it) stems from Judaism.

The Al Aqsa Mosque is literally built on top of the Jewish Temple of King Soloman.

Luckily it's that way round. Pretty sure that if it was the other way, everyone would be demanding that the Jewish Temple be dismantled.

Let's see what the Arab states propose.

Whatever you or I may think Israel will never give up Jerusalem to Palestinians.

Jerusalem will never be given up by Israel. It is the Jews most sacred place in the world. Don't @me about Muslims, it is not their no 1 place of worship. That is Kaaba in Mecca in Saudi Arabia
Christians haven't laid claim to Jerusalem since the Crusades.

I think the days of the Israeli government dictating what they require for security are quickly coming to an end

I don't think so. Security is the the sine qua non of any peace agreement. That will never change.

Palestinians would need to stop the violence.

As will the Israeli government have to stop the violence and the occupation.

I think the days of the Israeli government dictating what they require for security are quickly coming to an end. Netanyahu's actions have destroyed their International reputation, which is having a knock on effect economically in terms of foreign investment in Israel.

Egypt putting this on the table openly shows which side is agreement incapable. Israel is of course free to reject anything.

Israel forcibly removed all settlers from Gaza in 2005.

I expect that similar could be negotiated for the West Bank - with land swaps as necessary - as part of an agreement where Palestinians fully stopped violence.

Jerusalem is trickier.

I think in the same way as it always would have been. And in much the same way as peace was achieved with Egypt, including demilitarised zones Sinai zones

Realistically, the whole of Gaza and the West Bank would need to be demilitarised. And Israel won't just take that on trust.

After a long period of no aggression and building trust (30 years for Egypt) the requirements for demilitarisation can be relaxed.

On Hamas if this plan goes ahead are they no longer a threat?

How is that ensured?

Hamas relinquishing control would neuter Netanyahu's excuses to control Gaza

Just a slight correction: Hamas would need to relinquish control and the Palestinians would need to stop the violence. All of it. For long enough for Israel to know that it's not just a ploy.

If the Arab states can achieve that, then there might indeed be peace.

Absolutely @Martymcfly24 Hamas relinquishing control would neuter Netanyahu's excuses to control Gaza. As such within hours the Israeli government rejected Egypts proposals. Remember Hamas were only ever propped up to sow discord between the Palestinian factions and it worked with continuous infighting.

After the IDFs actions in Palestine, Lebanon and Syria, the other countries in the region realise that the issue must be solved by offering a credible alternative.

Really interesting @BelleHathor . So Really Netanyahu's worst nightmare then is that Hamas does relinquish government control because there would be no excuse for a plan like this to work (probably why they have propped them up previously)

Same question on Hamas as pp

All the Palestinian factions signed an agreement to co-operate brokered by China and Russia last year. They agreed that the most important thing is the Palestinian cause.

Hamas are happy to relinquish control and have issued statements as such (it's often forgotten that they never wanted to administer Gaza and only ran in 2006 after boycotting previous elections). Once they are gone it gets rid of Netanyahu's excuses.

The issue may be with the Palestinian authority led by Abbas and his party Fatah, who are viewed as a collaborators with Israel/USA. Their actions failing to protect the West Bank Palestinians.

"Bush thought democracy would fill a vacuum, so he urged the Palestinian Authority to hold parliamentary elections.

One problem, though: Radical parties—notably Hamas and Islamic Jihad, which had boycotted the 2005 presidential election—decided to compete in the 2006 parliamentary contests.

Six weeks before these elections, Dennis Ross was on one of his frequent trips to the Middle East. As the Middle East envoy for Presidents Bill Clinton and George H.W. Bush, Ross had more experience negotiating with Israelis and Palestinians than any American. He was no longer in the U.S. government, but he knew all the relevant players.

Ross was leery about holding elections. He thought that if there were elections, militias such as Hamas should be banned from participating; they should have to choose between joining the system and waging violence against it—they shouldn’t be allowed to have it both ways.

Members of Fatah, fearful that Hamas might win, approached Ross and asked if he could quietly urge the Israelis to block the election. An odd alignment was taking shape. “What’s wrong with this picture?” Ross asked himself. Fatah and Israel were against holding the elections; Hamas and President Bush were in favor.

Ross communicated all this to Robert Zoellick, a former colleague from Bush Sr.’s days who was now deputy secretary of state. Like Ross, Zoellick worried the election could be disastrous. He urged his boss, Bush Jr.’s secretary of state, Condoleezza Rice, to urge Israelis to do some things to improve Fatah’s prospects—for instance, to ease up on border crossings in the Palestinian territories and let Abbas take credit for the gesture."

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2023/10/was-hamas-elected-to-govern-gaza-george-w-bush-2006-palestinian-election.html