Shiri Bibas and children

Yes.
They we’re caught on camera footage which was still working at the hospital.
It is the same attack as you note.

It’s against the Geneva convention to attack the sick so they shouldn’t be bombing hospitals anyway.

There should never ever be an air strike on a hospital…..Ever!
The sick, ie that’s the ones in the hospital, should also not be attacked, they are protected.
Its also against the GC to disguise yourself

Rules of war and engagement

Youcant seriously think it’s ok to make up these excuses for what happened in that hospital!

Sometimes it's not about "right" but about empathy.

Just because you can do something doesn't mean you should

That’s a good point about it being a targeted attack.

@Baital don't ever let anyone chase you away, you have as much right to comment on any of these threads as anyone else, nobody holds a monopoly on them, remember that

Indeed they were criticised heavily for that case, same story with 3 different news outlets reporting it.

Hamas rarely appear to wear uniform, keeping it neatly pressed for performative PR when returning bodies of babies, their mum or elderly peace keepers. Or when they present certificates or gift bags to released hostages. 🤔

These a three links to articles about one specific attack, not about IDF generally operating in civilian clothing in war zones.

‘The Israeli authorities said the three men (the targets) had been involved in planning an attack similar to the one launched by the Palestinian militant group Hamas on 7 October that killed 1,140 people, according to Israeli data, and sparked the latest war in Gaza’

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/jan/30/israel-forces-disguised-women-medics-storm-hospital-jenin-west-bank

I think those 3 are all the same story from different outlets. I understand they did on that occasion pose to arrest militants and were widely condemned for doing so.

The IDF are predominantly in uniform as soldiers are. The hamas Brigades only appear in uniform during handover celebrations during ceasefire.

There is a difference even if you choose not to see it.

@Stirabout yes, that case. Where the Israelis actually took a great risk with their own lives to carry out a targetted assasination, rather than an airstrike that had collatoral deaths, but that wasn't good enough either.

Mm

Came up on trending. I seldom look at these threads because of the overwhelming anti Israeli stance on MN.
No surprise it's more whataboutery.

I'm sure the soldiers of the idf would gladly have a soldier to soldier battle. Sadly, Hamas Brigades take off their uniforms, change into civvies and hide amongst their families, happily wanted them martyred to their cause.

This. Shared postmortem evidence is usually taken as proof. Do Israel need to provide more proof than that? Usually, that's sufficient.

People demanded proof of rape during October 7th, not believing the women, witnesses or forensic evidence.

@Baital will see you on your new threads.

Thanks OP.

It's quite bizarre to claim that I am part of a 'campaign'. I usually avoid this type of thread because this is exactly the sort of 'organised campaign' that responds.

They have succeeded in chasing me away. I hope that is satisfactory. It doesn't do anything to change my opinion, confirms it rather.

@whatwouldyoudoifisangoutofkey We'll have to agree to disagree that those are attacks. I think that if someone is part of an ongoing, serious derailment campaign across multiple threads (not one single thread about the Bibas family has been permitted to actually focus on them) then they should expect pushback.

For example, that poster themselves brought up the DRC. It isn't vitriolic or an attack for me to ask them why they haven't been making threads about children in the DRC, or to point out that this is a clear derailment tactic.

@whatwouldyoudoifisangoutofkey Challenging Baital's derailing attempts isn't vitriolic. I haven't seen any vitriol directed at her.

@Baital I look forward to your subsequent post championing the cause. They are available (the names) as I have seen them online.
I am just wondering why you are using your energy to point out where posters are going wrong rather than rectifying it?

What a vile post.

Yes, that is what is being reported by the BBC now:

As we reported earlier, the family of Shiri Bibas says that last night she was "brought home".
That came after the remains Hamas handed over in Gaza on Thursday turned out not to be hers.
By Friday night, Hamas handed over another body that Israel has now identified as hers.
The incident caused shock and anger in Israel.
In response, Hamas said there might have been an error, perhaps due - it said - to human remains becoming mixed due to Israeli air strikes.
That raises the question of why they were then able to provide her genuine remains so swiftly. No explanation of that has yet been given.

Israeli military spokesperson Daniel Hagari has dismissed Hamas's claim that Shiri Bibas and her children were killed in an Israeli air strike as lies.
Hamas was not the Palestinian armed faction that abducted Shiri Bibas or her children, nor is it believed to have held them afterwards.
That could suggest that Hamas did not have full command of the process of the handover of her body and perhaps didn't make necessary checks.
The body that was originally handed over is unknown, but it was not that of another hostage, according to Israel.
There is also the possibility that Hamas did it knowingly but that raises questions over why it would wish to endanger the already fragile ceasefire with such a blatantly provocative act.

I am sure we will learn more in the next few days.

Well it took 4 posts to veer off topic.

Well done.

What about

Agree