Breaking News - Shiri Bibas has not been returned

No I don't believe in ethnic cleaning, what nonsense are you referring to? Palestinians have said that their mission statement is to get rid of Jews and Infidels. As an Infidel I don't want to be murdered or ethnically cleansed.
It's been proven that the beautiful Bibas children were murdered by someone with their bare hands and even if they'd been killed by an airstrike - which they weren't - Hanas would still be the murderers because they were the ones holding them hostage against their will.
Cut out the crap @EmilyDickinson

Firstly, figures haven't been highly scrutinised because everyone has been working off the same list - one provided by Hamas.

Secondly, that is not a Lancet "study". it is a letter to the Lancet that was published. There is no peer review process in this article. It's just a letter with no evidence to back it up. It also says "if diseases etc take hold" and those diseases didn't. you wanna know why? Cos Israel rolled out an innoculation programme. I could also write the Lancet and claim that 70 million Jews will be murdered if they don't get rid of Hamas. Which is obviously total rubbish - though only due to the fact there are only 15m Jews worldwide

She's not defending anything though, she's said both sides lie which is a fact

The first wife of Helen Bailey's murderer was cremated and yet, many years after her death, pathologists were able to establish that she had either been strangled or suffocated from brain tissue that she had donated to medical science. There are multiple ways to ascertain strangulation.

That aside, the Conflict in the Middle East board brings out the most despicable people on Mumsnet. Honestly, the absolute worst.

Thank you, both. I've learned something there.

Are you equally sceptical about the numbers of civilian deaths published by the Health Ministry in Gaza?

Years ago, probably 40 years ago when I was a teenager and had hopes that the world would be a much better place in the future, I

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Same reflection

I can't get over the baying horde when those poor confins were released

Am I missing something? Those are people, human beings in there

It's what they do.

Just read back

They lied?

Abhorrent and cruel, and the way the little children died

I'm so sad and angry

How did Hamas say they had died? Earlier, did they release a statement

Because the useful idiots are just that, idiots.

Hamas can accurately tell that 2001.5 people have died in the last two hours...don't think about the fact it takes coordinated effort and sometimes many weeks for a civilised government to count the dead from disasters on that scale.

It has been surprising to see the amount of people that first fell for terrorist propaganda spread online (thankfully most seem to be snapping out if it as the months go on, many just in the last day or two).

They are so blinded by hate that they cannot accept the barbaric terrorist scum are anything but poor misled angry little lambs.

Hamas is not to be trusted a single inch. The sooner they have not a single supporter on the planet and don't exist the better.

Except that that isnt what i've said - i believe either or both sides could be lying.

What, two falling bits of debris hit the two young children in exactly the way as to fracture a tiny bone inside their throat?

Surely more plausible than Jews telling the truth though, right?

No. I am waiting for Abu Kabir’s forensic report. I am not believing one narrative over another.

There has been no report of their hyoid bones broken or otherwise.
While in Gaza there were hundreds of different ways to die/be killed.

Daniel Hagari, the IDF spokesperson who announced this news, has been grossly mistaken before in his hurried press releases, so yes, I will wait to be sure. Remember the Hamas guard roster that was a calendar? Remember the Hamas command and control centre with tunnel that was an access shaft to a water reservoir?

The bodies only arrived at Abu Kabir less than 24hrs ago and the last thing Abu Kabir said was it will take at least 48hrs to examine the bodies.

Hamas informed Israel that the Bibas boys and their mother Shiri had been killed in an airstrike in November 2023.

the boys’ bodies have been dead at least since November 2023, so we know the time of death might not be a lie.

So because there were air strikes happening around that time it’s easier to believe the Bibas children died during one of those rather being murdered by the same people who murdered over a thousand people from the same community as the children only a month previously?

It's an easy mistake to mix up bodies too, sure they couldn't have checked clothes/hair etc.
Almost like it was done to create pain over people they openly hate.

Two pieces of wall falling at just the right places and no doubt missing skulls/ribs etc?
Versus people who hate jews strangling them?
I mean, yes obviously the first option is plausible.

What, two falling bits of debris hit the two young children in exactly the way as to fracture a tiny bone inside their throat?

Really?

Yep.
All this 'oh, but we need to look at the history of this conflict...'
While the history would obviously matter when discussing any sort of peace process (with Hamas? good luck with that...) it should be irrelevant when it comes to lives of little children, killed in cold blood for being Jews.

That is why they were killed.
Because they were Jews.

So can a falling piece of rubble to the neck.
You’re assuming strangulation btw.

The phrasing of “killed with their bare hands” is not how a forensic pathologist would describe any cause of death. It is too click baity and sensationalist.

I am sorry, but I too would like to hear from a forensics expert before being sure. The first responders to Oct 7th got a few causes of death wrong as well. It’s not a case of lying, but not knowing exactly what you are seeing as a layman.

It's so obvious, isn't it?

It's just people don't want to see it.