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Breaking News - Shiri Bibas has not been returned

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AniBocha · 20/02/2025 23:38

https://news.sky.com/story/israel-says-it-has-not-received-hostages-remains-and-hamas-handed-over-unidentified-body-13313681

As if the anguish isn't enough!

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KatieDR · 22/02/2025 09:29

Liv999 · 22/02/2025 09:21

They're not all prisoners accused of crimes though, some are innocent detainees accused of nothing and still being held, there's an actual thread on here about one such person..

ALL of the Israeli hostages are hostages. ALL OF THEM.

OpheliaWasntMad · 22/02/2025 09:27

Liv999 · 22/02/2025 09:21

They're not all prisoners accused of crimes though, some are innocent detainees accused of nothing and still being held, there's an actual thread on here about one such person..

There is no equivalence between the hostages and those detained by Israel who are suspected of wrongdoing.

Liv999 · 22/02/2025 09:21

KatieDR · 22/02/2025 08:43

The support for Hamas terrorism is beyond the pale. Just yesterday, I had a colleague, in a very professional setting comment on how Israelis hostages are described as hostages in a broadsheet newspaper but Palestinian prisoners are described as prisoners. I have quite enough by this point so I replied, yes because they are prisoners, accused of crimes. And the hostages were ripped from their homes. The world has lost its moral compass. Ghoulish and terrifying scenes in Gaza of civilians glorifying murder and death.

They're not all prisoners accused of crimes though, some are innocent detainees accused of nothing and still being held, there's an actual thread on here about one such person..

inamarina · 22/02/2025 09:21

That would be amazing, yet even on this board I’ve some impressive mental gymnastics in the last couple of days.
The highlight was the claim by a poster that it’s ‘understandable when people cheer at the sight of their dead tormentors’.
Absolutely mind blowing.

littleburn · 22/02/2025 09:14

Freysimo · 22/02/2025 08:19

Do you think possibly this latest atrocity could be a turning point and the scales will fall from the eyes of the Free Palestine supporters?

I think for some it will be a tipping point and the pendulum will start to swing back. For those who believe Israel shouldn't exist it won't make a jot of difference. That's the ultimate end point (starting point?) of their whataboutery, that Israel is responsible for the Bibas murders because it exists. Even if most of them won't say it out loud.

KatieDR · 22/02/2025 08:43

The support for Hamas terrorism is beyond the pale. Just yesterday, I had a colleague, in a very professional setting comment on how Israelis hostages are described as hostages in a broadsheet newspaper but Palestinian prisoners are described as prisoners. I have quite enough by this point so I replied, yes because they are prisoners, accused of crimes. And the hostages were ripped from their homes. The world has lost its moral compass. Ghoulish and terrifying scenes in Gaza of civilians glorifying murder and death.

Yogre · 22/02/2025 08:42

Freysimo · 22/02/2025 08:19

Do you think possibly this latest atrocity could be a turning point and the scales will fall from the eyes of the Free Palestine supporters?

Given the radio silence of the few I know online who really enjoyed having an 'underdog' to preach about...yep.

Freysimo · 22/02/2025 08:19

Do you think possibly this latest atrocity could be a turning point and the scales will fall from the eyes of the Free Palestine supporters?

AniBocha · 22/02/2025 08:16

@justanothercrapbedtime 'died'?
THEY WERE STRANGLED TO DEATH!
A toddler and a baby. Their tiny bodies paraded on stage and cheered on by people who you seem to think deserve an understanding.

Think on that and then decide if you're on the right side of history here.

You are downplaying what's happened and it is disgusting.

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Justhere65 · 22/02/2025 07:45

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I don’t believe there are Hamas supporters here. You can say that Israel have lied without supporting Hamas. It is desperately sad that Siri Bibas and her children have died and maybe a day to remember them? They are innocent victims caught up in a hellhole situation.

AniBocha · 22/02/2025 07:39

shalva · 22/02/2025 06:11

Confirmed this morning that Shiri Bibas has been returned home .
May her memory be a blessing
. Just a shame that Hamas didnt get it right the first time, I dont think for one second that it was an honest mistake..
At least now Yarden and the whole Bibas family will have some closure even tho it is not the result that anyone wanted.

I was just coming to post this thank you for updating us @shalva . It's tears of heartbroken relief for that poor family. Now they can be laid to rest.

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Justhere65 · 22/02/2025 07:34

Liv999 · 21/02/2025 21:36

She's not defending anything though, she's said both sides lie which is a fact

Exactly.

shalva · 22/02/2025 06:11

Confirmed this morning that Shiri Bibas has been returned home .
May her memory be a blessing
. Just a shame that Hamas didnt get it right the first time, I dont think for one second that it was an honest mistake..
At least now Yarden and the whole Bibas family will have some closure even tho it is not the result that anyone wanted.

BaMamma · 22/02/2025 05:08

inamarina · 22/02/2025 00:31

It’s mind boggling, isn’t it?
All that horrible footage from October 7th, recorded and posted by the terrorists themselves, and people still try to somehow explain it away - ‘Oooohhh, no wonder they saw red after all they’ve had to endure!’
What on earth excuses what Hamas and their helpers did on October 7th?

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There is no excuse.

Liv999 · 22/02/2025 04:51

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You said maybe Trump had the right idea? I presume you meant about ethnically cleansing Gaza? However I'm glad to see you think it's nonsense

inamarina · 22/02/2025 00:31

Thisandthatandthensome · 21/02/2025 23:56

Its unbelievable isn't it.

So easy to believe terrorists. So difficult to believe Israel. Israel release autopsy but it cannot be trusted. Hamas release anything and its immediately believed.

Even though hamas live streamed October 7th, people still call it resistance. They watch the innocent Palestinian people rejoice at the broken body of Shani Louk, the celebrating around the coffins of dead babies and excuse after excuse.

Look at yourselves. Look deep into yourselves. You are enabling and supporting hamas to keep this hatred going. The marchers too. Useful idiots. You are also not helping the innocent Palestinian people you claim you support

It’s mind boggling, isn’t it?
All that horrible footage from October 7th, recorded and posted by the terrorists themselves, and people still try to somehow explain it away - ‘Oooohhh, no wonder they saw red after all they’ve had to endure!’
What on earth excuses what Hamas and their helpers did on October 7th?

ToBeOrNotToBee · 22/02/2025 00:24

This revelation today has really sickened me.
Outside my train station there's been Palestinian flag waving, leaflet handling well intentioned leftie idiots that seem to be a permanent presence. I've always politely declined, today I felt rage at their stupidity. When one elder gent tried to give me a leaflet I actually shouted "Hamas are murderous bastards" before calmly crossing the road to the bus stop.
Made me feel a bit better.

Thisandthatandthensome · 22/02/2025 00:04

LoremIpsumCici · 21/02/2025 19:04

So can a falling piece of rubble to the neck.
You’re assuming strangulation btw.

The phrasing of “killed with their bare hands” is not how a forensic pathologist would describe any cause of death. It is too click baity and sensationalist.

I am sorry, but I too would like to hear from a forensics expert before being sure. The first responders to Oct 7th got a few causes of death wrong as well. It’s not a case of lying, but not knowing exactly what you are seeing as a layman.

You remind me of the posters that wanted proof that women and girls were raped on October 7th and wouldn't believe their accounts without proof. Obviously Jewish women just lie.

Thisandthatandthensome · 21/02/2025 23:56

EdithStourton · 21/02/2025 18:57

<head explodes>
Hamas and their allies:
murdered, in cold blood, people at a music festival
murdered entire families in their homes, including mutilating family members in front of each other
paraded the body of a young woman around on the back of a truck (Shani Louk, if you've forgotten her)
boasted of killing Jews ('Mother! Mother! I have killed Jews with my own hands!')
carried people away as hostages, including children
held them as hostages, some for over 500 days (still holds some)
tortured and starved some of their hostages
allowed no contact between the hostages and their families, who didn't know if they were alive or dead
said hostages were dead when they were alive

And now, we have some people on this thread going, oh no, Hamas and their allies might NOT have murdered the Bibas children - we know the Jews IDF tell lies!
And you:
Oh, they might have mixed the bodies up my mistake....
Can you really think that is the most likely scenario, given the behaviour of Hamas et al of late?

Years ago, probably 40 years ago when I was a teenager and had hopes that the world would be a much better place in the future, I read a poem called 'The Murder of Bellet and Hannah'. It was written in what is now Germany in about 1200, by a (Jewish) man whose wife and daughters were slaughtered by rampaging Crusaders. It has stuck in my mind ever since. And 800-odd years after it was written, Jewish children are yet again being killed entirely because they are Jews, and as no doubt happened then, people are making excuses for the murderers.

Go figure.

NB I'm not Jewish. But I am sickened by that spectacle of coffins.

Its unbelievable isn't it.

So easy to believe terrorists. So difficult to believe Israel. Israel release autopsy but it cannot be trusted. Hamas release anything and its immediately believed.

Even though hamas live streamed October 7th, people still call it resistance. They watch the innocent Palestinian people rejoice at the broken body of Shani Louk, the celebrating around the coffins of dead babies and excuse after excuse.

Look at yourselves. Look deep into yourselves. You are enabling and supporting hamas to keep this hatred going. The marchers too. Useful idiots. You are also not helping the innocent Palestinian people you claim you support

AmadeustheAlpaca · 21/02/2025 23:33

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AniBocha · 21/02/2025 22:57

www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cjw20d3l4jpo
There are reports another body has been handed to the Red Cross by Hamas and Hamas now claim this is Shiri Bibas.

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EmilyDickinson · 21/02/2025 22:29

Hi Amadeus,

I haven’t made any reference to ethnic cleansing. I’ve only posted once on this thread as quoted by you above. Perhaps you’re mixing me up with someone else’s post?

My post preceded the latest statement by IDS re their forensic examination.

I’m really sorry if my post upset you. It certainly wasn’t my intention. As you have told me to “cut the crap” which to be honest feels pretty aggressive, I’m going to leave this thread

AmadeustheAlpaca · 21/02/2025 22:11

Apologies, I've posted twice.

AmadeustheAlpaca · 21/02/2025 22:10

No I don't believe in ethnic cleaning, what nonsense are you referring to? Palestinians have said that their mission statement is to get rid of Jews and Infidels. As an Infidel I don't want to be murdered or ethnically cleansed.
It's been proven that the beautiful Bibas children were murdered by someone with their bare hands and even if they'd been killed by an airstrike - which they weren't - Hanas would still be the murderers because they were the ones holding them hostage against their will.
Cut out the crap @EmilyDickinson

guaranteedpersonality · 21/02/2025 21:48

To celebrate as they did, in the repulsive handover, knowing that they were deliberately smashing the one possible tiny bit of comfort left to Yarden Bibas, that Ariel and Kfir were with their mum, reveals a psychopathic level of sadism.