Breaking News - Shiri Bibas has not been returned

Western reporters in Israel say she was the victim of a IDF bomb blast, that its entirely possible they had no idea they sent the wrong remains.. the truth is always the first to go in war.

Plus its not as if there are morgue facilities in Gaza.

However, if its true that Hamas or others murdered her and her children, that is truly evil, with no justification, why on earth did they take this family... its so tragic.

Yes I seen on another thread someone else claimed it was not Hamas who took them either, some other terrorist group was mentioned, also Israel knew they were deceased since Nov 2023

However, if its true that Hamas or others murdered her and her children, that is truly evil, with no justification, why on earth did they take this family... its so tragic.

Because they were extremely high-value hostages. I believe it wasn't actually Hamas that took them though. I think Hamas might have kept them alive as bargaining chips.

Nobody is saying they did? I hope her remains will be released soon if not already

Didn't see that. Apologies.
Please be careful before you generalise. It can give the impression that you are not arguing in good faith.

Hamas weren't concerned about the Palestinian woman when they stood behind her so she was killed, nor did they care when they sent her body over to Isreal to cause pain.
Do they have storage full of 'useful' bodies?
It's all about their cause. They hate Isreal more than they love their friends and family.

Hamas weren't concerned about the Palestinian woman when they stood behind her so she was killed, nor did they care when they sent her body over to Isreal to cause pain.
Do they have storage full of 'useful' bodies?
It's all about their cause. They hate Isreal more than they love their friends and family.

Yes I replied agreeing with you

This is so awful, those children wouldn’t have been murdered or died in an air strike or whatever you want to believe if they haven’t have been kidnapped would they? There wouldn’t have been air strikes if there hadn’t been hostages would there? Use your brain and think logically about what is happening.

I cannot see the equivalence between kidnapping civilians of whom all are innocent and sometimes imprisoning civilians who are innocent (like all countries do from time to time) unless you are prejudice. The uk imprisons the wrong people sometimes, would it be ok for someone to take and kill some uk children then as it would just be both sides being as bad as each other? I wonder what marches we’d see on the streets for that?

I don't understand this threads. On the surface if seems to be about how sad this is and how evil Hamsas are.

At a different level it seems to be about how unacceptable it is to suggest the Israeli government bears responsibility for harm coming to hostages and how there are people who want to protect Hamas and blame atrocities on Israel.

For a start, I don't conflate Jewish people with the Israeli government or Palestinian people with Hamas but I don't see why the views above are mutually exclusive. I think what has happened to everyone is heartbreaking and both the Israeli government and Hamas are carrying out evil acts.

Well, it does go to show that the Israeli attacks on Gaza, which have killed around 45,000 people, have not worked, not at all, infact Hamas is even stronger than it was before they launched their despicable attack.

Its terrible what the family are going through and always will but am i alone in wondering about the Palestinian woman whose remains were originally sent?

the one man who had a banner saying "Hamas= terror" was attacked by the crowd.

In Germany, there is this woman (Karoline Preisler) who’s been joining protests from day one, holding up a sign saying ‘rape is not resistance’ or simply pictures of hostages.
She’s required police protection because the ‘peaceful protesters’ keep trying to attack her.

Well, it does go to show that the Israeli attacks on Gaza, which have killed around 45,000 people, have not worked, not at all, infact Hamas is even stronger than it was before they launched their despicable attack.

Its terrible what the family are going through and always will but am i alone in wondering about the Palestinian woman whose remains were originally sent?

That's what concerned me, @OpheliaWasntMad I saw too many offensive banners, heard too many negative chants on what was supposed to be (I thought) peaceful marches.
Nobody thought it was appropriate to say "free the hostages" and the one man who had a banner saying "Hamas= terror" was attacked by the crowd.
That was a turning point for me.

Depraved is the word. Those masked men in black, touting automatic weapons, posturing like that, with traumatised and broken hostages.
Vile.

She didn't say 'all'. As I pointed out a little while back.

We knew from the start what sort of people Hamas were. Shani Louk. The filming and glee during October 7th . The atrocities . The ongoing hostage torture .
And yet still people marched every week for Palestine. No reference in the marches to the hostages. Instead anti semitic sentiments were commonplace on the marches.
Posters on here pushed back aggressively when I asked why there was no condemnation of Hamas from the pro Palestinian protesters.
counter protesters who condemned Hamas or held posters of hostages were abused. Pro Palestinian marchers thought that was ok .

I was ( and still am) sympathetic to Palestinians.
But I am beginning to truly loathe the protestors in the west .

I never said it did though, I'm simply replying to a poster who said all Palestinian prisoners/detainees were criminals, which is factually incorrect as you know well

That's what concerned me, @OpheliaWasntMad I saw too many offensive banners, heard too many negative chants on what was supposed to be (I thought) peaceful marches.
Nobody thought it was appropriate to say "free the hostages" and the one man who had a banner saying "Hamas= terror" was attacked by the crowd.
That was a turning point for me.