Hamas to release the bodies of the Bibas mother and children [Title edited by MNHQ]

I hope they get that poor woman's body back from Hamas, and her loved ones can have a proper funeral.
As for the poor woman whose body it is? Why was the mistake made, what about her family?
It's all so inhumane.

Also not Jewish but have watched in absolute bafflement since 7th October.

Same here. What also baffles me is how many women seem to happily participate in displays of this mindless hatred towards Jews.
I’ve seen footage of women handing out sweets in street celebrations right after October 7th and of women ripping down hostage posters.
Then women like that student Dana Abu Qamar who said that October 7th was a ‘once in a lifetime experience’ and how it made her ‘full of joy’.
Yesterday, as Hamas was parading around the bodies of innocent hostages, there were pictures of women chatting and smiling, looking all happy and relaxed as if they were just having a picnic with their mates.
People tend to say ‘it’s always men’, but just look at these women cheering the violent men on.

Yes, I’m not Jewish either but am absolutely shocked and angered at the blatant antisemitism that our so called authorities are letting slide in our society. Fuck that.

@verysmellyjelly you make some good points, and I was very uncomfortable with aspects Holocaust Memorial Day this year. It's been used for other purposes, which worries me.

Yes, I didn't initially mention on this thread that I wasn't Jewish because I think it ought not to matter: everyone should recognise how appalling Hamas are and what an atrocity this is (one atrocity among the many they have perpetrated). I'm also wary of disclaiming Jewishness being itself a subtle form of anti-Semitism. But then the other side of things is that so many people do comment hatefully even on a thread like this that I think it's worth mentioning not being Jewish from time to time, just to underline that Israel (and Jewish people globally) are not wholly alone in a sea of unjustifiable hate.

The latest episode of Bari Weiss's podcast, Honestly, talked about how even Holocaust memorial museums are uncomfortable with the Jewishness of the Holocaust and often want to remake it into something more focused on intolerance in general. It's chilling how any discussion of hatred directed at Jewish people specifically seems to suffer from these redirection attempts.

How can anyone deface hostage posters? These are totally innocent people. Children and the elderly? Vile.

I think one of the most heartbreaking acts of antisemitism I kept coming across was the tearing down and defacing of hostage posters with antisemitic comments (Kfir - “head still on”, written on, another where a swastika was drawn on his face, hitler moustaches drawn on both babies and more) . Even yesterday I saw a picture on x of all 4 Bibas’, with the children and Shiri x’d in red and the title was “One more to go. Finish the job”.

Sickening.

Me too @RominaDina

I'm absolutely horrified by the way this has turned out. Like others on here, I'm not Jewish, no connection to Israel, but looking at the coverage in the last two days has absolutely sickened me.
I've been on many anti war and peace marches in my time. Hamas has shown who they are. Anyone going on future marches should bear this in mind.

Couldn’t agree with you more. I feel despair today.

I also don't believe it is true that all the protesters are just pro-Palestinian and not pro-Hamas, as any counter-protesters who hold up signs critical of Hamas get violently attacked.

Personally I would like to see water cannons out on those weekly protestors. As a Londoner I despair at central London becoming a no-go area every weekend as supporters of the Hamas death cult intimidate everyone while the police stand by scratching their arses.

There’s a video from months ago early in the war when they met with Netanyahu and he basically begged them to say something or just try and they basically completely refused to do or say anything. He had the medications for the hostages and said Hamas wont take them but they could replicate them, they have a list of the medications, why not try. And they just stonewalled him.
I knew the Red Cross had been complicit in the holocaust in covering up the concentration camps, but I had thought that was in the past. This was the final end for any trust/belief I had left in these humanitarian organisations. I’ll believe in the goodness of individual people, but the organisations are rotten.

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I agree. Also not Jewish but have watched in absolute bafflement since 7th October. It so obvious to me that Hamas are responsible for everything that’s happened in Gaza that only absolute Jew hatred can explain the constant excusing of them/blaming Israel.

the celebrations of October 7th before Israel had taken any action, the ripping down of hostage posters, the calls for the destruction of Israel, Jew hunting in Amsterdam, - all the anti semitism our Jewish friends told us was always festering under the surface came raging forth.

it must be so scary to be Jewish now, it’s disgraceful.

I’m the same. Not Jewish, but it’s so clear to me how some (many?) people are driven by this irrational hate for Jews.
I just don’t understand where it’s coming from.

What’s going on with people?

Anti-semitism. Jew Hate.

I'm not Jewish, and I find it unfathomable.

That’s absolutely shocking, I didn’t know about that.
Red Cross refusing to deliver medication to innocent hostages? And later, after agreeing to do so just dumping it somewhere?
That’s really twisted. What’s going on with people?

@statsfun I remember this clearly. I had previously thought that the Red Cross were an admirable organisation - no longer.

I would also like to know who the deceased woman is that was sent to Israel - was she worth so little, where was the care and respect for her and her family also to use her remains as part of a cruel game?

The last 16 months have destroyed my trust in many institutions which claim to be humanitarian.

I saw a video clip not long after October 7th where the families of hostages were sitting around a table in a tent with Red Cross representatives, asking them to take specific, needed medication to the hostages. The Red Cross people point blank refused. Not even showing sympathy or a desire to help. It was completely off the table.

Eventually, it was agreed as part of the first ceasefire that the Red Cross would deliver the medication. The named parcels were later found at Nasser hospital, not delivered.

Humanitarian, except to Jews.

ince the beginning of this conflict the side with more power has acted without restraint and has caused immense harm as a result.

If Israel had genuinely acted without restraint, Hamas in Gaza would no longer exist.

Kidnapping a mother and her two babies is not resistance.

Parading the coffins of dead babies through a crowd to music is not resistance.

Returning a random body claiming it's their mother is not resistance.

That poor, poor woman and her babies :( the news from this morning is absolutely devastating

OMG absolute solidarity. How dare someone lecture you in this way. And yesterday/today when Hamas's utter depravity is laid bare for all to see. If people can't grasp what Israel is dealing with today they never will.