Hamas to release the bodies of the Bibas mother and children [Title edited by MNHQ]

www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cjw20d3l4jpo

I don’t understand it either.
There were so many smiling faces in that crowd, men, women, children.
If Hamas had somehow forced people to attend they’d surely look distraught rather than happy and relaxed?

All people may be equal. But unfortunately not all people are equally as good as others.

Culture plays a huge part in social norms and what is considered moral and acceptable behaviour. We may think that because we naturally love and want to protect innocent children, even children not our own, that every human is the same.

I think it is very difficult for someone from the West to truly understand why such alien and abhorrent morals and actions are cheered on.

But they are ingrained and practically unchangeable.

yesterday I saw countless videos of Palestinian mothers happy those babies where killed and claiming victory

This is what I really can’t understand, as mothers we are hard wired to protect babies - any babies. We would protect even the babies of our enemies. How can their hatred be so ingrained that it overtakes nature? I just don’t get it.

Including our esteemed leaders. It’s terrifying frankly.

Its shocking isnt it? sheer bloodthirstiness. Nasty, nasty people.

Exactly this- and they certainly are not hiding it- it is in their own manifesto. They want a world wide caliphate and to kill all infidels - in other words anyone who is not made in their image. This is why i can't understand western idiots who support them. They want the destruction of our way of life- of tolerance, of democracy, of freedoms. These people are happy to walk like zombies towards their own destruction.

Wow …. !

Yes. They are raising the next generation to want to kill Jewish people and infidels.
It's brainwashing and has been going on long before Oct.7th

What kind of parent wants their child to grow up to be a martyr!

There will never be peace as long as that ideology of generational hatred continues. I fear for the world.

All the freedoms we have in the West are at risk.

I fear they will be my own childrens enemies in future.

That is the sad thing. They will be. And there is nothing that could be done at this point to prevent that. There is no aid or support that could be given, that wasn't before 7th October.

I also read that Hamas had placed propaganda alongside the bodies in the coffins. Even in death these poor people cannot rest....

This is so true .
I remeber when I saw the images of that mother holding to her babies while being pushed around by those monsters , her face was just pure horror , desperation and utter fear . I think any mother looking at that can only imagine how she felt . I cry every time I see that clip even now .
Just like you both I can’t comprehend how people support Hamas . I live in hope they will wake up .
yesterday I saw countless videos of Palestinian mothers happy those babies where killed and claiming victory , others openly defend jihadism , and wanting their own children to die as a martyrs .
Again as a mother I can’t comprehend this , my children are above anything , anyone , any god , any doctrine . I actually fear that more children are being raised this way , children as young as my own, I fear they will be my own children enemies in future . It’s sad but I don’t think many have any chance but to grow up to be terrorists like Hamas or worse .

Many of these gulf states are happy to funnel money to these jihadi groups whilst keeping their own societies free of such extremism though

Especially true of Qatar, yes.

How much freedom do the women have?

There are legal differences that are less favourable than the West, that's undeniable. But day to day life, absolutely no issues, in fact very safe.

I was searching the sub reddit of the US city I live in for something unrelated and found a post dated october 10 about a pro Palestine march set to take place. So before the dust had even settled they were planning this. These marches never really got off the ground here though and most of the comments were aghast at the thought of it. There was actually at least one fairly well attended pro Israel rally that went off without any problems.

How much freedom do the women have?

Many of these gulf states are happy to funnel money to these jihadi groups whilst keeping their own societies free of such extremism though.

That's hideous.

I don't know, but we know the PSC request was put in on 7 October while the atrocity was ongoing.

I'd been wondering about that recently, how much time do you need to get permission to organize a march like that? A week seems pretty quick considering the necessary policing and traffic management.

And they put the request in for the march on 7 October. Tells you all you need to know. The marches were never about peace but attacking Israel.

"It's started already on social media. There's always a pause of a few hours, maybe a day or so, after Hamas does something particularly awful, and you dare to hope that people are finally waking up. But then the usual accounts start spewing a new party line of lies and fact twisting, and that gets amplified, and suddenly the same lines get regurgitated by posters on here. It's the same cycle every time."

The first Hate March was on October 14th, before Israel's bombardment of Gaza. What does that say?

The usual Hamas supporters have been very quiet on this thread.

I don't believe this is Islam, it's a death cult

Yes. I lived in a Gulf state and obviously there's cultural differences to Europe, many people are devout, but it's a normal, loving, functioning society and one of the defining features was how family-friendly and child-centred it was.

My cousin's son is in the IDF and his best friend was one of the first into Kibbitz Nir Oz after the slaughter. I don't think he'll ever recover from what he saw, so for me shortly afterwards to hear claims of propaganda was a bitter pill to swallow.

For now it's about killing Jews but it will soon be anyone who doesn't share their "ideology".
I looked at those Palestinian children dancing in the street celebrating little Kfir's death, and I have mixed feelings. I believe every child is born innocent and agree the indoctrination is child abuse. But their ideology is more important than their children, who they happily used as human shields.

I don't believe this is Islam, it's a death cult, and they are rapidly multiplying in numbers all over the world. For those that still think a two state solution is the answer, how many of us would like to have neighbours like that?