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Are Hamas as thick as they are evil?!

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Newbutoldfather · 09/02/2025 08:25

After seeing masked, uniformed well-fed Hamas soldiers humiliating emaciated hostages, does anyone even feel a shred of sympathy for them?

Can’t they even understand how bad this looks and what the consequences will be both for themselves and, more importantly, for the rest of the Palestinians?

It would be hard for them to be as thick as they are evil, because they are extremely evil, but I think they might have achieved it…

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GouacheEnthusiast · 10/02/2025 16:27

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OpheliaWasntMad · 10/02/2025 11:16

It certainly doesn’t come across like that on the marches I’ve seen..
A sea of placards condemning Israel ( sometimes in anti semitic terms)
Not one placard about the hostages !
Not one placard condemning Hamas !

An Iranian who did try to condemn Hamas was abused and needed protection.

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This was my experience too.

OpheliaWasntMad · 10/02/2025 14:17

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The marches that you call pro Israeli were marches to ask for the release of the hostages.

GouacheEnthusiast · 10/02/2025 14:00

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Rummly · 10/02/2025 13:59

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And when it’s pointed out that Hamas hide behind civilians, and that they divert aid billions to military ends to kill Israelis, the unshakeable Hamas supporters just deny it. Because it doesn’t suit the bogus “genocide” narrative.

OpheliaWasntMad · 10/02/2025 13:54

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I agree that there have been some terrible atrocities committed by IDF ( the killing of little Hind is one example )
But if you truly agree that Hamas are bad news for Palestinians why do the pro Palestinian marches never mention that fact?

GouacheEnthusiast · 10/02/2025 13:33

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WinterCosiness · 10/02/2025 13:32

I imagine at the pro Palestinian marches you'll find a spectrum of views? But, I do genuinely think the vast majority would absolutely condemn Hamas' actions on October 7th. I think the reason you wouldn't see placards clearly stating that, is, partly because it goes without saying, and partly because the marches were about Israel's assault on Gaza, so that'd be the focus. Obviously many individuals and groups on the marches would be pacifists, so they'd oppose Hamas and the IDF by default.
I've personally not attended the marches. I don't live in a city where most of them have been, and also, I personally would feel more comfortable at a gentle non-partisan (sans flags) silent peace vigil. But, I've got friends and family who've been, and I know they would definitely condemn Hamas utterly.

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Newbutoldfather · 10/02/2025 11:40

Hamas need to be removed.

I think, now, the only way that can happen is occupation by an international force, rebuilding, and then a real battle to win hearts and minds, which Israel needs to participate in.

As long as Hamas can do what they did during that hostage release, there will never be peace.

If you look at the model used for Iraq under Schwarzkopf (sp?), although it didn’t work long term due (again) to Iranian backed groups, it enjoyed some short term success.

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Newbutoldfather · 10/02/2025 11:35

@GouacheEnthusiast ,

I am afraid I am also dubious about the ‘pro Palestine’ marches. I am sure there are a few on them who are genuinely pro Israel but anti the Israeli government and policies, but they need to think about who they are associating with. Too many on those marches are rabid anti semites. Look at the rage any Jew wearing a Kippah is met with. Being Jewish isn’t being Israeli.

And also, for those protestors who genuinely both despised Hamas and the Israeli government, they would also have been on the march against anti semitism. Vanishingly few were.

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Moremillshake · 10/02/2025 11:33

The same Iranian that was caught on video ripping people’s scarfs off and then fled to Israel? That one?

dairydebris · 10/02/2025 11:32

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The best way to support Palestinians would be to constantly agitiate for the removal of Hamas.

OpheliaWasntMad · 10/02/2025 11:16

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It certainly doesn’t come across like that on the marches I’ve seen..
A sea of placards condemning Israel ( sometimes in anti semitic terms)
Not one placard about the hostages !
Not one placard condemning Hamas !

An Iranian who did try to condemn Hamas was abused and needed protection.

Peacecanbe · 10/02/2025 11:12

WinterCosiness · 10/02/2025 07:32

To be honest, I haven't heard anyone in my friendship circle express anything other than horror at Hamas. Though we all feel very sorry for the ordinary Gazans. Similarly I feel horror at fascist Benjamin Netanyahu and the right-wing Israeli government, but feel very sorry for ordinary Israeli citizens who've lost loved ones. I think these are pretty standard views...

I agree. These are the most common views expressed in my experience.

GouacheEnthusiast · 10/02/2025 11:11

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OpheliaWasntMad · 10/02/2025 10:08

WinterCosiness · 10/02/2025 07:32

To be honest, I haven't heard anyone in my friendship circle express anything other than horror at Hamas. Though we all feel very sorry for the ordinary Gazans. Similarly I feel horror at fascist Benjamin Netanyahu and the right-wing Israeli government, but feel very sorry for ordinary Israeli citizens who've lost loved ones. I think these are pretty standard views...

That might be so but I never saw any posters condemning Hamas on the pro Palestinians marches

WinterCosiness · 10/02/2025 07:32

To be honest, I haven't heard anyone in my friendship circle express anything other than horror at Hamas. Though we all feel very sorry for the ordinary Gazans. Similarly I feel horror at fascist Benjamin Netanyahu and the right-wing Israeli government, but feel very sorry for ordinary Israeli citizens who've lost loved ones. I think these are pretty standard views...

wholettheturnipsburn · 09/02/2025 21:25

Moremillshake · 09/02/2025 17:55

The images from the Palestinian hostages are evil. This is just one man. There are thousands still being held without charge including children.

www.instagram.com/p/DF2j65SJ4Wc/?img_index=1&igsh=MWtsdWx0M2liZzVvdw==

What Palestinian hostages?

Do you mean released prisoners ?

bodydrain · 09/02/2025 20:55

Atangledweb · 09/02/2025 19:16

"What’s more, of every 100 Israeli citizens, 20 are not Jews. They are Arabs, Muslims, Christians, Druze, Baha’i, Circassian. They enjoy rights and freedoms unavailable to minorities — or majorities — elsewhere in the region. Israel is not segregated: not its universities, hospitals, judiciary, beaches or government whose current ruling coalition includes the Islamist Ra’am (United Arab List) Party." That's not apartheid.

Occupied West Bank and Gaza separate to Israeli Arab citizens.

bodydrain · 09/02/2025 20:53

ParsnipPuree · 09/02/2025 17:02

It also needs to be remembered that the people of Gaza created Hamas, elected it, supported it, hid it, sheltered it, filled its ranks and celebrated all of its atrocities.

It's known that Netanyahu supported Hamas against the Palestinian Authority, which wanted peace instead.

Ilovemytulips · 09/02/2025 19:41

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I find your post and accusations extremely offensive. If you think the LA times are rabid anti semitists then I don't know what to say to you.

OccamsShavingCream · 09/02/2025 19:35

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Liv999 · 09/02/2025 19:18

Ilovemytulips · 09/02/2025 19:10

Ofcourse Palestinian prisoners are also tortured. This is common knowledge. Remember when Muazzaz Abayaat was released after nine months of torture. He wasn't even charged with anything.

https://www.latimes.com/world-nation/story/2024-08-12/released-palestinians-describe-worsening-abuses-in-israeli-prisons

Awful 😞

Atangledweb · 09/02/2025 19:16

"What’s more, of every 100 Israeli citizens, 20 are not Jews. They are Arabs, Muslims, Christians, Druze, Baha’i, Circassian. They enjoy rights and freedoms unavailable to minorities — or majorities — elsewhere in the region. Israel is not segregated: not its universities, hospitals, judiciary, beaches or government whose current ruling coalition includes the Islamist Ra’am (United Arab List) Party." That's not apartheid.

Ilovemytulips · 09/02/2025 19:11

Ben Gvir openly boasts about the torture inflicted on Palestinian detainees so it's not really a secret.

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