Are Hamas as thick as they are evil?!

Do you think Hamas' campaign of violence had been the best way of advocating for a Palestinian state?

Do you think rape, murdering and hostage taking is resistance? Because you called it that

If Israel is to be accused of apartheid then what of the Israeli Arabs living in Israel? How can it then be apartheid?

Ask me a question and I'll answer it. The PLO tried to engage in negotiations and talks, they built up an international consensus. Yasser Arafat was a guest at the white house on a number of occasions.
The Israeli government had then replaced with hamas via a funding and disinformation campaign led by mossad. They wanted hamas in power as it led to a decrease in international pressure for a two state solution
Israel isn't interested in talks they want the area ethnically cleansed. That's it.

What questions have you asked?

Israel are showing very clearly that they don't want the land - or at least that isn't their priority, although I'm sure they'd like it.

But their red line is that they want neighbours who don't attack them. That's what they're looking for.

As they've said all along.

But if the US control Gaza, then Israel will never get it.

Netanyahu seems to be supporting the US suggestion, and you're not denying that.

That isn't compatible with Israel plotting to take the land to create a 'Greater Israel'

It's not that I'm 'denying it'. It's that you're making no sense.

There you go.

"Hamas have said they will accept this and cease all hostilities, almost all other countries in region have offered to normalise relations with Israel in exchange for a two state solution. Even Iran has indicated it is open to it.
So why not, what's the issue?"

'So why not', 'what's the issue' you say immediately after stating hamas will accept the 2 state solution - 'what's the issue'

Surely even you with your incoherent arguments can see what the issue is with hamas and being involved in a 2 state solution. They didn't say they'd step aside for it to occur THEY want to be involved. That's the issue. A massive issue and it makes it impossible. No one but hamas and their supporters want hamas.

I've better things to do with my time than continue to point put what you have said in quotes since you seem to continuously 'forget' saying it 🤔 😕

Waving placards? Are you on glue? Or do you honestly think the best way Hamas could have advocated for a Palestinian state was to repeatly commit violent acts against civilians and shout about removing the 'zionist entity' from the map entirely?

Talking. Negotiating. Sticking with a peace process. That kind of stuff. Not murdering kids at a party.

Browned a violent organization? I literally can't understand you.

By the way you haven't actually answered one of my questions yet. Everytime I ask a question you ignore it and move onto your next Hamas soundbite. Let's see if you can manage one of the above. And not the glue one.

Do you Honestly believe waving placards is going to dissuade Israel from ethnic cleansing?
The PLO was not a terrorist organisation, what happened to them? Israel had them replaced with Hamas because they browned a violent organisation would lower global political support for a treaty state solution. They were right.

I said hamas are open to a two state solution. I didn't say anything about me believing they should hold power. Go back and read my posts

But how does a moderate government get the chance to lead in the proposed Palestinian state? I think international presence in Gaza, the West Bank and East Jerusalem would be the only way to oust Hamas and allow moderates to step forward. Hamas have to step down after Oct 7th, that's clear. I also think international presence and support to build a contiguous, viable state is necessary and should consist of fair and law abiding countries. In this case, I don't think countries which have supplied arms to Israel or those which are undemocratic should be part of that solution, because they are respectively not neutral or not fair and law abiding. I wonder if such a set of countries could fulfill the goals of keeping peace, getting Hamas to step down, supporting moderates to take charge and uniting the fractured territories into a state.

You didn't say that.

Go read your own words.

This is where you said it and suggested it as if a good thing 🙄

There you go "Hamas have said they will accept this and cease all hostilities, almost all other countries in region have offered to normalise relations with Israel in exchange for a two state solution. Even Iran has indicated it is open to it.
So why not, what's the issue?" Your words.......... so why not! I mean seriously! 🙄

You actually think a 2 state solution with hamas in charged as proposed by Hamas and backed by Iran is a good thing!🙄🙄🙄

OMG no words left. Hamas (remember that vile terrorist group) continuing in Gaza. The poor Gazans. You SUPPORT and on here promote THAT.

I'll leave your words here. No point in engaging with a poster who wants the hamas proposal backed by Iran to be given air time.

(Yet again a 2 state with moderates is different)

But resistance doesn't always have to be violent. That's been Hamas' choice.

No of course they people of Gaza don't have the same rights as Israelis. They are not Israelis. Their government doesn't afford them the same rights. They don't get to vote. They don't get to be gay. It was obvious I was talking about the Palestinian Arabs that stayed on their land during the war. After the war ended they became Israeli. Do you even know about this? The Arabs who live peacefully in Israel?

I wouldn't want Hamas in control. I'd want a progressive administration that could build a peaceful relationship with Israel

I have literally no idea what you are talking about. How would the ethnic cleansing of Gaza 'inevitably' lead to the slaughter of 10's or 100's of thousands? Did I miss some huge news here? Or are you speaking in hyperbole? It's very difficult to follow what you're saying...

You keep missing the point. The point being hamas as part of the 2 state! I'm assuming you are doing it on purpose now.

Violent resistance is always horrific. Every bit as horrific as blowing children to pieces in bombing raids.
The people of Gaza have equal rights with other Israeli citizens? Are you sure?

I meant a 2 state solution with hamas in control of gaza. Why would you want a 2 state solution with hamas in control?

A 2 state solution with a moderate government (not hamas) is a completely different thing (as I've explained before).

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/12/10/world/middleeast/israel-qatar-money-prop-up-hamas.html

This article massively under states Israels complicity

Ye gods! Israel did not put Hamas in power. Gazans elected them in 2006. Most of their $$$ has come from Iran and other states to fund their underground tunnels and weaponry with which to attack Israel.

Why do I want a two state solution? Because what's the alternative? The only other possible way to end this is the complete ethnic cleansing of Gaza which will inevitably result in the slaughter of tens of thousands, possibly hundreds of thousands of civilians. In other words a crime against humanity. Why would anyone consider that a desirable outcome?

That's not true. Zionism means to settle the land and Israel considers Gaza and all the occupied territories as part of Greater Israel. There's no denying it. It's why they have been continuously expanding taking more and more Palestinian territory.

This.

But Israel won't get the land, so it obviously isn't.

It was always about security. And it still is.

I think you might be getting cause and effect mixed up.

Do you believe attacking, raping, murdering, taking women and children hostage is resistance?

Apartheid means to set apart. How are the Palestinian Arabs that are now Israeli and full citizens in Israel set apart?

I'm afraid your arguments aren't making much sense to me.

There are many ways to achieve political goals other than violence and terrorism. It's Hamas' choices that have bought Gazans to the brink of being removed from their homeland forever. Ironic really.