Are Hamas as thick as they are evil?!

Reposting once’s you need more than one source. What’s the rebuttal for this

'Genocide, genocide, genocide' ........... Oh, but here's thousands of energised, well-fed Gazans in rude health, clamouring with their fully charged smartphones to capture the misery and terror on the face of a tortured and emaciated hostage as he is put through a degrading handover ceremony prior to discovering that his wife, teenage daughters and brother have all been murdered by the very people who are forcing him to behave as if they are doing him a massive act of generosity.

The media coverage of this war has been despicable. Endless footage of crying children in hospital but the complete absence of the thousands of Hamas fighters clearly extant in Gaza, the constant presentation of Palestinian narratives as facts with no attempt at fact-checking or interrogation, the eagerness to ascribe the worst possible motives to Israeli actions without any attempt at context.

There was a Sky News report on the hostage-prisoners swaps two or three weeks ago where Anna Botting went to the home of a family whose teenage son was being held in an Israeli prison for posts made on social media. (I guess the UK can hardly lecture the Israelis for criminalising social media posts nowadays.) She interviewed the father who said that he himself had been in prison for a total of 15 years, the last time for two years after he had been arrested at a checkpoint. It was only at the end of the report that we were told in passing that the father had been in Palestinian Islamic Jihad, a group even more extreme than Hamas. We were never given the facts about whether his son was 13 or 19 (it makes a difference) or whether he really was in prison just for social media posts or what those posts might have been. We never found out why the father had been in prison or why he had been arrested the last time. We basically got an emotionally manipulative narrative straight from the mouth of a jihadist terrorist, from which we were meant to draw parallels between his situation and the situation of an Israeli waiting to discover the fate of their hostage relative, with none of the journalists involved making any attempt to verify his claims or present the full story. The standard of journalism is at best pathetic, at worst complicit.

According to many posts on Twitter (and your ‘evidence’ was from Instagram btw) this man was treated for stomach cancer by Israel which saved his life and was NOT a detainee or a prisoner.

His name is apparently not on the released prisoner list which is available online but in Hebrew so I can’t read it. His name apparently can’t be found online anywhere until yesterday.

I mean you kind of hope that the above isn’t true in a way as it is beyond sick for someone who’s life was saved to pretend the very people who did that starved and abused you instead to try to deflect from innocent hostages who really were treated like that!

The images from the Palestinian hostages are evil. This is just one man. There are thousands still being held without charge including children.

www.instagram.com/p/DF2j65SJ4Wc/?img_index=1&igsh=MWtsdWx0M2liZzVvdw==

There is a lot of evidence of mistreatment of Palestinian detainees and prisoners:

Human Rights Watch
https://www.hrw.org/world-report/2024/country-chapters/israel-and-palestine#israelidetention

https://www.hrw.org/news/2024/08/26/israel-palestinian-healthcare-workers-tortured

UN OHCHR
https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2024/07/un-report-palestinian-detainees-held-arbitrarily-and-secretly-subjected

BBC
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cx2yylgze4ro

Amnesty Intl (some predates the current war)
https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2024/04/amnesty-international-sounds-alarm-international-law-flagrant-rule-breaking-governments-corporate-actors/

https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2024/07/israel-must-end-mass-incommunicado-detention-and-torture-of-palestinians-from-gaza/

https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2024/04/israel-opt-death-in-custody-of-walid-daqqah-is-cruel-reminder-of-israels-disregard-for-palestinians-right-to-life/

https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2023/11/israel-opt-horrifying-cases-of-torture-and-degrading-treatment-of-palestinian-detainees-amid-spike-in-arbitrary-arrests/

https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2023/05/israel-opt-death-of-khader-adnan-highlights-israels-cruel-treatment-of-palestinian-prisoners/

https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2025/02/israel-opt-release-of-palestinian-aid-worker-after-nearly-nine-years-of-unjust-imprisonment-ends-appalling-miscarriage-of-justice/

Why would you say that's not a verifiable source?The previous poster has provided plenty of links there, are those also propaganda?

Why would you not want to use verfiable sources?

There is a lot of evidence of mistreatment of Palestinian detainees and prisoners:

Human Rights Watch
https://www.hrw.org/world-report/2024/country-chapters/israel-and-palestine#israelidetention

https://www.hrw.org/news/2024/08/26/israel-palestinian-healthcare-workers-tortured

UN OHCHR
https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2024/07/un-report-palestinian-detainees-held-arbitrarily-and-secretly-subjected

BBC
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cx2yylgze4ro

Amnesty Intl (some predates the current war)
https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2024/04/amnesty-international-sounds-alarm-international-law-flagrant-rule-breaking-governments-corporate-actors/

https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2024/07/israel-must-end-mass-incommunicado-detention-and-torture-of-palestinians-from-gaza/

https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2024/04/israel-opt-death-in-custody-of-walid-daqqah-is-cruel-reminder-of-israels-disregard-for-palestinians-right-to-life/

https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2023/11/israel-opt-horrifying-cases-of-torture-and-degrading-treatment-of-palestinian-detainees-amid-spike-in-arbitrary-arrests/

https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2023/05/israel-opt-death-of-khader-adnan-highlights-israels-cruel-treatment-of-palestinian-prisoners/

https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2025/02/israel-opt-release-of-palestinian-aid-worker-after-nearly-nine-years-of-unjust-imprisonment-ends-appalling-miscarriage-of-justice/

I was wondering when propaganda would be mentioned, so predictable

How would you get the Hamas men in the images to behave in a way that is not lethal to anyone?

Even if they are not part of a new government they are still active, what would they do?

That post gives no evidence for that information. Looks like a propaganda account

That post gives no evidence for that information. Looks like a propaganda account

“I believe they have been by-and-large radicalised, and it will take the removal of Hamas and a meaningful program to win over hearts and minds and deradicalise them.….They need to be offered carrots as well as sticks”

Yes I wholeheartedly agree with this. When a certain % have been radicalised, and the rest are pretending out of fear to survive, no one knows who they can trust, everyone wonders if it’s only them that hasn’t been radicalised.

Carrots - as in a real positive future that includes freedom from terrorist dictatorship and a path to equal rights as Israeli citizens would do wonders.

The images from the Palestinian hostages are evil. This is just one man. There are thousands still being held without charge including children.

www.instagram.com/p/DF2j65SJ4Wc/?img_index=1&igsh=MWtsdWx0M2liZzVvdw==

Children never have a say in governments

Indeed @SharonEllis .They are always punished for the decisions of their governments, though.

A Peace and reconciliation process has to happen. It’s the only way to end the slaughter on both sides. Even if the parties have to be dragged kicking and screaming to the table and all international support withdrawn until agreement is reached.

If it can happen in Northern Ireland and South Africa, it can happen in Gaza, surely?

I think both populaces have been well and truly indoctrinated by their supposed leaders. I presume people have also seen the news footage of Israeli citizens chanting and cheering as bombs rain down on Gaza?

It seems inhuman when you observe it from the outside, but I think it's hubristic of any of us to think that we wouldn't also be susceptible to radicalisation if we were brought up in a society that was taught to hate and fear its closest neighbours, without being given any of the wider context or the view from the other side. This applies to both Israel and Palestine. Hamas are monstrous; the ruling Israeli regime is also monstrous, but is much, much more powerful. Anybody in the West who claims not to get this is being very disingenuous.

“Definitely these handovers will further damage an already delicate ceasefire. Between their actions and the words of Trump and the Israeli government, it’s hard to see any hope for the next phase of the ceasefire.”

The actions of Israel have been problematic as well. During a ceasefire, you’re supposed to stop shooting at everyone- terrorist or civilian. Israel did not. They have been killing a handful of people in Gaza every day since the ceasefire started, including snipers shooting and killing toddlers.