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Are Hamas as thick as they are evil?!

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Newbutoldfather · 09/02/2025 08:25

After seeing masked, uniformed well-fed Hamas soldiers humiliating emaciated hostages, does anyone even feel a shred of sympathy for them?

Can’t they even understand how bad this looks and what the consequences will be both for themselves and, more importantly, for the rest of the Palestinians?

It would be hard for them to be as thick as they are evil, because they are extremely evil, but I think they might have achieved it…

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Atangledweb · 21/02/2025 11:08

1dayatatime · 21/02/2025 09:10

I was thinking that after witnessing both the "publicity event" by Hamas on the release of these little children,s bodies, the placing of pro Hamas stickers on the children's coffins and the crowds of ordinary civilian Palestinians coming along to support this - then surely surely there must be at least a faint flicker of realisation by the pro Palestinian supporters both in the UK and across the world that they are supporting the wrong side and the "bad guys.

If they can't then I genuinely believe that their indoctrination is so deep that they pose a real threat to the security of the UK.

Yes. Tough action needed now.

Rape is not resistance. Kidnap is not resistance. Torture is not resistance. Cheering over the bodies of dead babies, a mother (although we now know it wasn't her body) and an elderly peace keeper is not resistance. It is the sick action of sick barbaric scum.

I wish they'd fucking wake up. Idiots.

Atangledweb · 21/02/2025 11:04

BaMamma · 20/02/2025 23:55

Today's failed bomb attack would suggest that they are, indeed, quite thick as they set the timers wrong, thankfully.

Thank goodness they set the timers wrong. So another attack whilst parading with the dead bodies of innocents. Yet stupid people support these acts of 'resistance ' still. Will these idiots wake up. Reminds me of the equally stupid couple travelling Iran and using a vpn to post on social media. Where are their thinking skills.

statsfun · 21/02/2025 10:39

There are laws in the UK against supporting Terrorist organisations. There are also laws against incitement to violence. And there is the Malicious Communications Act, which has previously been used against far less malevolent communications.

The police need to start upholding those laws. They exist for good reason.

The UK government went full-on against the anti-immigrant protests in the summer. Time to go full-on against the anti-Jewish protests now.

Time for the UK to show that Jewish citizens are entitled to the same protection as Muslim citizens.

Otherwise we see that the police are only extra-lenient to groups they are afraid of. And that really is a bad situation for a country to be in.

1dayatatime · 21/02/2025 09:10

quantumbutterfly · 21/02/2025 01:46

Their supporters in 'the West' are another matter.

I was thinking that after witnessing both the "publicity event" by Hamas on the release of these little children,s bodies, the placing of pro Hamas stickers on the children's coffins and the crowds of ordinary civilian Palestinians coming along to support this - then surely surely there must be at least a faint flicker of realisation by the pro Palestinian supporters both in the UK and across the world that they are supporting the wrong side and the "bad guys.

If they can't then I genuinely believe that their indoctrination is so deep that they pose a real threat to the security of the UK.

maternitylleave102 · 21/02/2025 02:19

After seeing the multiple videos of Hamas and citizens cheering in the streets, while the coffins of the kidnapped family were paraded in the streets I have zero sympathy. None.

And that judge wants to bring those people here?

quantumbutterfly · 21/02/2025 01:46

Their supporters in 'the West' are another matter.

quantumbutterfly · 21/02/2025 01:42

In answer to the op, nobody could be that thick. If they are as thick as they are evil they would have the IQ of an amoeba and since they appear to be functioning at a slightly higher intellectual level I must conclude they are on balance more evil than thick.

BaMamma · 20/02/2025 23:55

Today's failed bomb attack would suggest that they are, indeed, quite thick as they set the timers wrong, thankfully.

Atangledweb · 19/02/2025 08:16

I saw this story about the former leaders of Hamas. Who's running the show now

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-67103298

Lalaloveya · 14/02/2025 13:56

That's absolutely tragic. I really wish both sides would commit to the ceasefire for the sake of all civilians involved but I am not hopeful that we will see it through.

Israel has killed over 100 people in Gaza since the ceasefire was announced, as reported by Al Jazeera. I assumed this figure must include the people they've murdered in the West Bank too but it doesn't appear to. I may have misunderstood the report though.

Atangledweb · 14/02/2025 12:54

stomachamelon · 14/02/2025 07:42

According to Palestinian media reports, the rocket launched from Gaza a short while ago struck the Nuseirat area in the Strip’s center, killing a 14-year-old boy.

Footage posted online purports to show the launch.

So they breached the ceasefire and sadly killed one of their own people a Palestinian child in the process. Not only evil but stupid.

dairydebris · 13/02/2025 19:26

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You think Hamas had good reason for 7 October and you say it openly here.

LetThereBeLove · 13/02/2025 19:25

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Fifiworks · 13/02/2025 19:21

LetThereBeLove · 13/02/2025 16:54

The Jewish refugees were respected and equal citizens of Arab countries, but were persuaded to leave by malicious Zionist propaganda. Unlike the Palestinian refugees, they left voluntarily and are welcome to return at any time.
Is this man for real? And why are you repeating it here? It is complete garbage. Jews were 'respected and equal citizens' until they were not. They were forced to leave their homes and businesses and given refuge elsewhere in the world, including Israel.

You’re not reading it correctly. He is laying out both the Israeli and the Arab view of this and saying why they are both wrong basically,

stomachamelon · 13/02/2025 18:09

So welcomed back with open arms that in some Arab countries NO Jews have chosen to return to their own countries, homelands etc.

Rubbish.

stomachamelon · 13/02/2025 18:06

No only is that rubbish not relevant to this thread but it's factually incorrect. What a spin.... I don't know where to start on the ridiculousness of reposting that...@bodydrain

OpheliaWasntMad · 13/02/2025 17:16

LoremIpsumCici · 13/02/2025 11:51

They weren’t being heard anyway and had not been for as long as Netanyahu has been in power.

Moderate voices existed in the Kibbutzim.
Many of those who were killed or taken hostage on October 7th were people who were involved in peace initiatives and building bridges with Palestinians.
Yet Hamas targeted them and the festival goers and killed, raped and mutilated men women and children and took others hostage.
It’s hard to see where the moderate voices in Israel will come from now .

Newbutoldfather · 13/02/2025 17:07

My best friend at school was a Sephardi Jew.

His father was an ENT surgeon who was exiled from Egypt under President Nasser. This was under an arabisation policy which made Egypt a very hostile environment for Jews.

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LetThereBeLove · 13/02/2025 16:54

The Jewish refugees were respected and equal citizens of Arab countries, but were persuaded to leave by malicious Zionist propaganda. Unlike the Palestinian refugees, they left voluntarily and are welcome to return at any time.
Is this man for real? And why are you repeating it here? It is complete garbage. Jews were 'respected and equal citizens' until they were not. They were forced to leave their homes and businesses and given refuge elsewhere in the world, including Israel.

bodydrain · 13/02/2025 16:54

Further to above:

”Above says “whereas the Jewish departure from Iraq primarily reflected internal political developments”. This included discrimination and killing against the Jewish population.

bodydrain · 13/02/2025 16:45

LetThereBeLove · 13/02/2025 16:29

700,000+ Jews were forcibly displaced from Arab countries in 1947/1948.

I know. Though note the Jewish exodus from Iraq and other Arab countries took place a few years after the Palestinian exodus.

“Comparing the Jewish Exodus and the Palestinian Exodus

The Israelis and their supporters have often argued that the experience of the Jewish refugees can be equated with that of the Palestinian refugees. Both left their countries due to violence or threats of violence. Unlike the Palestinians, however, who remained in refugee camps rather than being offered homes elsewhere, the Jewish refugees were welcomed and resettled in the Jewish State of Israel. Their settlement inside Israel constitutes (so the argument goes) a direct and legitimate exchange of populations.

The Arab view is almost dichotomous. The Jewish refugees were respected and equal citizens of Arab countries, but were persuaded to leave by malicious Zionist propaganda. Unlike the Palestinian refugees, they left voluntarily and are welcome to return at any time.

As the above discussion has demonstrated, neither of these perspectives reflects the complexity of the Jewish exodus. To be sure, there are some superficial similarities between the two exoduses. However, the differences between the two exoduses are arguably far more significant.

Firstly, the Palestinian expulsion occurred under conditions of external war and conflict, whereas the Jewish departure from Iraq primarily reflected internal political developments. In addition, the Jewish departure reflected far more diverse factors. As already noted, many Jews were strongly motivated by Zionist beliefs, and voluntarily left Iraq for Israel (Tessler 1994:309).

Secondly, the two exoduses did not concur chronologically. The Jewish exodus from Iraq and other Arab countries took place a number of years after the Palestinian exodus. There is no evidence that the Israeli leadership anticipated a so-called population exchange when they made their arguably harsh decision to prevent the return of Palestinian refugees (Morris 1987:254-255).
Thirdly, it is important to remember that the Arab States, not the Palestinians, were responsible for the Jewish exodus.

Finally, Israel agreed to accept the Jewish refugees who subsequently integrated with varying degrees of success into Israeli society, and looked towards the future. Unlike the Palestinians, most of the Jewish refugees had little or no desire to return to their former homes in Baghdad or elsewhere. In contrast, the Arab states refused to facilitate an organized resettlement of Palestinian refugees. Consequently, most looked backwards, and held onto hopes of a return to Palestine (Segre 1971:126).

This analysis demonstrates that the two exoduses are not identical in motivation and cause, and should be considered separately.

On the one hand, Arab denial of the contribution made by anti-Jewish hostility to the Jewish exodus from Iraq and elsewhere is insensitive and ahistorical. Jewish refugees from Arab lands should be entitled to some form of compensation for abandoned lands and property. There is no reason why organizations such as the World Organization of Jews from Arab Countries (WOJAC) should not be formally represented in negotiations between Israel and the Arab states (Goldberg 1999; Khalidi 1999:235).

On the other hand, it is equally insensitive for Israel to use the experience of the Jewish refugees as a justification for its treatment of the Palestinian refugees. The latter group also have a justifiable claim for financial compensation (Mendes 1996:96; Mendes 1997:208).”

By
Philip Mendes Latrobe University
Presented at the 14 Jewish Studies Conference Melbourne March 2002

Above says “whereas the Jewish departure from Iraq primarily reflected internal political developments”. This included discrimination and killing.

LetThereBeLove · 13/02/2025 16:29

bodydrain · 13/02/2025 15:41

300,000 Palestinians were forcibly displaced by Jewish forces in 1947/48 before Arab countries attacked.

700,000+ Jews were forcibly displaced from Arab countries in 1947/1948.

bodydrain · 13/02/2025 16:26

Always liked Ami Dar’s (Israeli in US) x.com posts.

Are Hamas as thick as they are evil?!
Are Hamas as thick as they are evil?!