To think Trump is unhinged

One of the things that exacerbates an already batshit situation is the incompleteness of the announcement, which allows the vacuum to be filled by ever-wilder speculation. Jared Kushner said a while ago that Gaza has some 'nice beachfront property' and then you get last night's gubbins about it being a Riviera. It is only a short leap of faith to see the whole purpose of this to seize Gaza to hand to billionaire chums to create a mega resort. That would be an outrageous theft to benefit individual oligarchs, all done to thunderous applause from Trump apologists.

If anyone can name one single instance of a forced relocation at any point in human history which has been positive then I might be tempted to reserve judgement until the details come out, but we know full well that there is no such thing. Here we're talking about two million people, a certain proportion of whom have a decades-long prediliction for terrorism, being permanently forced from their homes - if anyone thinks this will end the post-1948 conflict rather than make it an order of magnitude worse then please do enlighten us.

Another thing - I have been following Bibi Netanyahu's career since he emerged as the Israeli government's de facto English-language spokesman during the first Gulf War. Last night, behind the gurning, even he seemed stunned, which I've never seen before. His brother must be spinning in his grave.

No, they could possibly live and work in Saudi Arabia while waiting for things to be rebuilt

Errr - can I just clarify, are you talking about turning Gaza into a labor camp?

But this was all in the plan. From last year.

And what domestic policies would those be?

You're loving policies that lead directly to the deaths of women and children? Why?

My dd's dh says the same, he's really worried for dd and himself. I'm worried for both of them too.

Who is to stop him? I do not see anyone in prospect.

The Israelis will take this for what it is. A blank cheque to finish what they started

I’d love to hear from all the MAGAs who said they voted for him because ‘they don’t want foreign wars’. It was always an excuse to cover for their racism, but what do they tell themselves now? Is there any cognitive dissonance happening or is it just too hard to compute

I am loving his domestic policies.

I am not a fan of this. I don’t want America to manage Gaza. I hope it’s a starting point to get Saudi or even the UAE to manage it. This would make
the most sense

I committed to doing the same thing. Let the US implode if that’s what they want, but now he’s coming for Canada, Mexico, Greenland, the Panama Canal, and now Gaza. It’s hard to ignore the ravings of a madman who has decided the whole world is his play thing.

I’d love to hear from all the MAGAs who said they voted for him because ‘they don’t want foreign wars’. It was always an excuse to cover for their racism, but what do they tell themselves now? Is there any cognitive dissonance happening or is it just too hard to compute?

Trump is an atheist. He has never opened a bible in his life. As your religion is everyone's business over there (and you must be religious) he has had to bullshit like the rest have done otherwise he would have never got elected.

He believes he is God.

You are right. I meant Mashriq

He's an Imperialist, and he looks at expansion not as something to benefit people, but from a business point of view. The Art of The Deal. He is fucking outrageous, in my view.

I think there's a really high risk he'll get threatened militarily by China at this point, and then just unleash nuclear weapons to obliterate half the world.

I think the real threat is that China is listening to that and thinking 'well, fine, we can claim Taiwan, no probs.' And to be fair, China has MUCH more of a claim to Taiwan than the US to Gaza (or Greenland, or Canada, or Panama etc.)
It also makes Putin look better than he is - again, long history with Ukraine.

I am not saying that to justify China or Russia by the way! I am saying that because I wonder if the strategy is not to make those guys simply look better by normalising land grabs.

It's a new Yalta - a very stealthy one - in which the US, Russia and China carve up the world for the next century or so. I just wonder where we fit in...

I’m sure this has always been his goal, and I think he’ll move hell and high water to make it happen.

And there’ll be many, many people cheering him on. It’s just mind-blowing.

@RingoJuice the Maghreb is a region of Northern Africa. Not the Levant. They even speak a completely different dialect of arabic.

Gangster man.

You think he cares about the US as an international broker? Where it costs him? No.

He'll help. But only if there is money in it for him. Look at NATO. That's next. Why would he underwrite this arrangement unless other countries making serious defence arrangements? He won't.

Nothing is stopping him,nothing at all.

Wow
40,000 Palestinians murdered. The remaining few are not able to live safely.

He also said the 'Palestinians would be thrilled to leave' Which is so far from reality it beggars belief.

Does he actually believe the things he says

The thing is, we can't disengage. All of this shitshow is going to come looking for us. I don't know exactly how (if I did, I'd be making money from it) but here are some suggestions.

• His tariffs tank the stock market (last set of tariffs in the US instrumental in creating the Great Depressions). My retirement fund is halved, I am working until I die.
• The lack of vaccinations and health research result in a world-wide epidemic.
• A massive war.
• The backlash against Keir Starmer being so weak with the US allows Reform to be come the biggest party in the US.
• The above, KS is weak on Trump's plans for Gaza, the UK becomes a massive terrorist target. As will happen to the US if he does follow through on his lunacy.

What is shocking about Trump is that the world’s dominant nation might no longer be a reliable friend.

And so much of the west have totally depended on the U.S for so long.

Want a nuclear shield, don’t criticise Trump.

Want free use of Microsoft, Apple, Google, AI, don’t criticise Trump.

So, everyone is now subservient to the Tsar, bar Russia and China, And even they will have a complex relationship with Trump. He will happily cede the Donbas and Crimea to get Putin onside and Putin will get renewed access to all the trappings of U.S luxury in return. I suspect there will even be a long term deal where China gets Taiwan as soon as the chip fab can be replicated in the states.

We’ll see, but I don’t think any western society is prepared to go back 25 years in order to confront Trump so, at least for the moment, he rules the world.

Negotiations over what exactly? Forcing the Palestinians out of their land altogether to foreign countries?
And the idea that Gaza becomes a US territory of some sort and turned into a holiday resort, that sounds good to you

Ofc I don’t want America to manage Gaza. The negotiations will be over which country will eventually manage Gaza.

It cannot be Israel. It cannot be the Gazans themselves. It (imo) shouldn’t be America. Lebanon and Jordan both have negative experiences with Palestinian refugees, they cannot do it. Egypt probably refused.

It should be a Gulf country. They may ask Saudi to do it in exchange for recognizing Israel. They also need migrant labor so it could be a temporary home for the refugees.