How might things have been different

Oodiks · 2025-02-04T21:23:16+00:00

Several posters on here refer to Israel as a colonizing state, what different decisions could have been made back in the 30s and 40s, following the collapse of the Ottoman Empire, to create stability in the Middle East? I posted a different version of this question that got deleted without comment, I'm hoping this is an acceptable question.

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Oodiks · 17/02/2025 22:34

mouthpipette · 17/02/2025 22:17

I don't think people are "rewriting history", they are simply seeing history from different angles, using a greater or lesser number of sources, all of which have different degrees of veracity and then they are coming to conclusions.
I gave my view, it was deleted, that's why I stopped engaging here.

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You couldn't find a way to express yourself that was less contentious?

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Oodiks · 17/02/2025 20:49

Curious at the lack of engagement here considering how many people want to rewrite history for their own purposes.

I don't think people are "rewriting history", they are simply seeing history from different angles, using a greater or lesser number of sources, all of which have different degrees of veracity and then they are coming to conclusions.
I gave my view, it was deleted, that's why I stopped engaging here.

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Oodiks · 17/02/2025 20:49

Curious at the lack of engagement here considering how many people want to rewrite history for their own purposes.

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Oodiks · 11/02/2025 00:59

dairydebris · 06/02/2025 09:28

I wish the Palestinians had just one leader at some point in the past who cared more about the actual future of his people than killing Jews.

Arab history is full of such examples, there has been many instances on Jews and Muslims living together ( although not so much in recent history I know. )

But I wish there had been just one Palestinian leader putting actual lives first. I still hope one day there will one.

I hope one day there will be a Palestinian leader who cares more about supporting the Palestinian people than destroying Israel.

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dairydebris · 06/02/2025 09:28

I wish the Palestinians had just one leader at some point in the past who cared more about the actual future of his people than killing Jews.

Arab history is full of such examples, there has been many instances on Jews and Muslims living together ( although not so much in recent history I know. )

But I wish there had been just one Palestinian leader putting actual lives first. I still hope one day there will one.

LetThereBeLove · 06/02/2025 09:23

OchaLove · 06/02/2025 02:46

Wasn't Gaza an open prison before it was turned into rubble by IDF?

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No. If you look at photos before the war it was no prison but a functioning place with schools hospitals etc otherwise they wouldn't have been bombed would they.

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Oodiks · 06/02/2025 03:05

OchaLove · 06/02/2025 02:46

It's a good thing that as a person you have empathy for Palestinian people. If majority of Israeli people would have empathy for them then we would see humanity winning, wouldn't we?

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Perhaps if their leaders had more empathy for their people than hatred for Israel, there could be peace.

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Oodiks · 06/02/2025 03:04

OchaLove · 06/02/2025 02:46

Wasn't Gaza an open prison before it was turned into rubble by IDF?

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Have you ever seen footage of actual Nazi extermination camps?

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OchaLove · 06/02/2025 02:46

LetThereBeLove · 05/02/2025 08:19

Unlike the Nazis Israel has no extermination camps.

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Wasn't Gaza an open prison before it was turned into rubble by IDF?

OchaLove · 06/02/2025 02:46

Oodiks · 05/02/2025 19:51

I probably have more empathy for the Palestinian people than their leaders do. Thier leaders encourage them to become martyrs for their cause, where's the humanity there?

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It's a good thing that as a person you have empathy for Palestinian people. If majority of Israeli people would have empathy for them then we would see humanity winning, wouldn't we?

OchaLove · 06/02/2025 02:44

Vivi0 · 05/02/2025 17:59

Would you care to expand on what you consider to be “similar things”?

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Dehumanization, extermination, genocide, ethnic cleansing (latest Trump's offer)

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Oodiks · 05/02/2025 19:51

OchaLove · 05/02/2025 02:16

Also at what point we can show empathy and humanity towards Palestinians? If they are not killed the same way, does it not count?

I probably have more empathy for the Palestinian people than their leaders do. Thier leaders encourage them to become martyrs for their cause, where's the humanity there?

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Vivi0 · 05/02/2025 17:59

OchaLove · 05/02/2025 01:32

And this gives Israel the right to do similar things to Palestinians?

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Would you care to expand on what you consider to be “similar things”?

mouthpipette · 05/02/2025 17:50

Expecting tumbleweed.

mouthpipette · 05/02/2025 17:50

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LetThereBeLove · 05/02/2025 08:21

SpiritAdder · 04/02/2025 23:21

I’m not a local from the region that was the Palestine Mandate of the 1930s/40s, so I have no say in the matter.

Your question is asking what should the people in the 1930s/40s have done then.

I’m not interested in writing an alternate fictional history of what might have been.

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Agree. What is the point?
No one can rewrite history although Holocaust deniers give it a good try, despite evidence and testimony that it happened.

LetThereBeLove · 05/02/2025 08:19

OchaLove · 05/02/2025 01:32

And this gives Israel the right to do similar things to Palestinians?

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Unlike the Nazis Israel has no extermination camps.

LetThereBeLove · 05/02/2025 08:18

Oodiks · 05/02/2025 00:46

It is kind of sobering to think that Hitler might have had more of a chance of finishing the job he started if European Jews hadn't had somewhere to escape to.

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The British made it incredibly difficult for Jews trying to escape Nazi persecution before WW2 even began. Many of the ships were made to turn around. I know this for a fact as my mother tried to reach the mandate and failed. BTW Hitler made a damn good job of ridding the world of European Jewry.

mids2019 · 05/02/2025 06:21

Moses could have done another job?

I think this is a hypothetical question with wanting to discuss the Half our treaty exposing how mean and bad the West are.

OchaLove · 05/02/2025 02:16

Also at what point we can show empathy and humanity towards Palestinians? If they are not killed the same way, does it not count?

OchaLove · 05/02/2025 02:14

Oodiks · 05/02/2025 02:10

Israel is not rounding up Palestinians, cataloging them, experimenting on them, stealing their fillings, sterilising then en masse, gassing them… Do you have any idea what the Nazis actually did?

Did you watch today's Netenyahu and Trump meeting? Are you sure they're not rounding up Palestinians?

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Oodiks · 05/02/2025 02:11

In response to @OchaLove

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Oodiks · 05/02/2025 02:10

Israel is not rounding up Palestinians, cataloging them, experimenting on them, stealing their fillings, sterilising then en masse, gassing them… Do you have any idea what the Nazis actually did?

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OchaLove · 05/02/2025 01:32

Oodiks · 05/02/2025 00:46

It is kind of sobering to think that Hitler might have had more of a chance of finishing the job he started if European Jews hadn't had somewhere to escape to.

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And this gives Israel the right to do similar things to Palestinians?

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Oodiks · 05/02/2025 00:46

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It is kind of sobering to think that Hitler might have had more of a chance of finishing the job he started if European Jews hadn't had somewhere to escape to.

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