American proposal to clear out Gaza

Stop assuming things.

I didn't think there were any homes to go back to. But anyway, up to them. I don't think Israel should pay for rebuilding since hamas terrorist attack started this particular conflict off. Many hamas funds sat in Qarat bank accounts could be utilised first, then Israel contribute.

The world's billions in aid should be distributed to people and not stolen by hamas for selling for their gain (sneaky bastards, doing their own people out of freely provided food etc).

Hamas gone (will they go, or hang on though) and if any exist moderate Palestinian leaders or if they cannot find any a coalition from other countries.

In the end the one thing many hopefully agree on is no hamas, but have to get rid of the nasty shits is going to be difficult. They won't go voluntarily, do the people want them gone, by the cheering and clapping when they strut their stuff who knows.

I think people are just surprised that citizens support trumps idea of committing ethnic cleansing. Wonder if it was Israeli citizens or the country where which of us live whether we’d agree with the idea. At the end of the day there are refugees that have been displaced and made a happy life somewhere else so why not Israelis or us!

Isn't it the president of the US expressing these views which are currently being discussed with the King of Jordan. I don't think this is random speculation but commentary on the real world.

Are people still trying to argue and make ethnic cleansing sound like a totally normal option? This is crazy, do you express these views to people in real life or just anonymously on mumsnet?

The way you ask that makes it sound as though anything other than these fascist ethnic cleansing plans is unreasonable.

I think the people of Gaza should be allowed move back to their homes, which Israel should pay to rebuild (obviously that will never happen but it should) and they should be supported to hold elections and try to piece their destroyed society back together. Maybe there's a role for the PA in this.

So.what do you suggest

We should want better for everyone. Destroying the homes of 2million people and forcing them out of their country isn't acceptable to most of us.

Yes I won’t bother.

Fuck me. This is like pulling teeth

@EasterIssland you said.

"And idealising the refugees ignoring the situation many of them are going through just because it worked fine for some"

What does that mean "idealising". You are using the present tense

Actually don't bother, I'm guessing the meaning is gone now 🤣

i didn’t say you were idealising Palestinians. I said refugees

@EasterIssland Sorry still don't see how I idealised Palestinians

What do you mean by that ?

It is 2.2 million people, a huge amount. How are people who don't want to leave going to be made to do so? The population of Gaza are already refugees who have been displaced. The population are traumatised, there are many orphans, many amputees or disabled, so they have requirements for ongoing health care. There are other reasons why it's particularly difficult for the people of Gaza to be refugees. Primarily, most nations have agreed to a 2 state solution, and it is reneging on that promise. It is better to avoid creating refugees in huge numbers in any situation, and I think it's quite possible to avoid doing this to Palestinians. As a by product we would not be destabilising cohesion in the rest of the world, which will affect us all.

1. Because it worked for some why couldn’t it work for people from Gaza.

1. Your second paragraph.

Well, I will agree that forcing refugees into other countries causes tension. That's maybe why their is reluctance by other countries to step up and welcome Palestinians

However I asked WHY gaza was different. I'm not sure I understand.

@EasterIssland I'd be ever so grateful if you could kindly say

A. Where I justified anything.

B. What you mean by "idealising" in the context of refugees. I'm not clear what you mean.

No

And definitely no

Pot meet kettle.

Didn't mass displacement in Europe and countries forcefully annexing other regions contribute greatly to both World Wars? Isn't part of the Ukraine/ Russia conflict much as about the borders that were drawn in the past?

This romanticism of past Colonial practices of displacement through redrawing borders is a sight to see.

And idealising the refugees ignoring the situation many of them are going through just because it worked fine for some

Why are people condoning and encouraging ethnic cleansing? That's quite sick.

@wholettheturnipsburn It is unreasonable to create a refugee crisis and then push the consequences on to other countries. There are huge tensions around large influxes of refugees.

Are you trying to justify ethnic cleaning because it was fine for some people?

How did the people who were displaced and resettled throughout Europe manage?

I know families whose grandparents lived in different countries, over borders, and theirs families have turned out just fine, with great cultural affinity to their roots

Why is gaza different?

The topic of the thread ? Or was it whatabouterism and nothing to see here in Israel the other posters comment?