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What would the 'support for Israel' equivalent of wearing a Keffiyeh be?

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Oodiks · 21/01/2025 19:35

Although the Keffiyeh is a traditional Bedouin headdress it now largely indicates support for Palestine. I've noticed women wearing them in Zoom meetings and would like to find a way to reciprocate with my own clothing statement.

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Oodiks · 22/01/2025 20:38

Inauthentic · 22/01/2025 20:36

I am sorry for making an assumption about you. Of course, support for Israel comes from people of diverse backgrounds.

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Thank you.

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Oodiks · 22/01/2025 20:38

GirlWearsRed · 22/01/2025 20:30

It's not "antisemetic" or against all Jewish people. It's worn in solidarity with the people in Palestine. Plenty of Jewish people also support Palestine.

If anything its "anti-zionist" which is a movement, not a race nor a religion. However, those like OP would have you believe its antisemetic, just as they would have you labelled as an antisemite for merely breathing if you choose to disagree with Israel.

Excuse me? I’m just asking what a person would wear to indicate support for Israel. I haven’t brought up antisemitism in this thread.

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Inauthentic · 22/01/2025 20:36

Oodiks · 22/01/2025 20:18

I’m not Jewish, so no.
Do you think only Jews support Israel?

I am sorry for making an assumption about you. Of course, support for Israel comes from people of diverse backgrounds.

GirlWearsRed · 22/01/2025 20:30

It's not "antisemetic" or against all Jewish people. It's worn in solidarity with the people in Palestine. Plenty of Jewish people also support Palestine.

If anything its "anti-zionist" which is a movement, not a race nor a religion. However, those like OP would have you believe its antisemetic, just as they would have you labelled as an antisemite for merely breathing if you choose to disagree with Israel.

DoIEver · 22/01/2025 20:21

Thunderpants88 · 22/01/2025 20:00

I’m sick and tired of any of this entering the workplace. I don’t care what your stupid pronouns of made up gender identity are. I don’t care what your religion is. I don’t can’t what political party you support. This should ALL be left at the door at work. And I will NOT be bullied by any “woke brigade” into putting ANY pronouns in my work email or signature. It is pathetic and screams “I’m a sheep”

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Is there nothing the people won't shoehorn "gender idiology" into??

Oodiks · 22/01/2025 20:18

Inauthentic · 22/01/2025 19:52

Are your colleagues aware that you are Jewish?

It wasn’t until I read posts on Mumsnet that I realised how offensive the keffiyeh can be to Jewish people. I now understand that it can be perceived as antisemitic and as a personal attack on all Jewish people - although it's often not the case at all.

I’m not Jewish, so no.
Do you think only Jews support Israel?

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Whatsinanamehey · 22/01/2025 20:02

Whatsinanamehey · 22/01/2025 19:59

I have only just heard such strong opinions like the one expressed today in regards to wearing it in a public setting, from a very extremist view point on social media. I tend to avoid such accounts/people.

Like the head of the ADL, who made an extremely offensive comparison of the keffiyah with a swastika whilst simultaneously excusing Musk's Nazi salute. So some people clearly pick and choose what they think is anti-semitic/offensive.

Thunderpants88 · 22/01/2025 20:00

I’m sick and tired of any of this entering the workplace. I don’t care what your stupid pronouns of made up gender identity are. I don’t care what your religion is. I don’t can’t what political party you support. This should ALL be left at the door at work. And I will NOT be bullied by any “woke brigade” into putting ANY pronouns in my work email or signature. It is pathetic and screams “I’m a sheep”

Whatsinanamehey · 22/01/2025 19:59

Inauthentic · 22/01/2025 19:52

Are your colleagues aware that you are Jewish?

It wasn’t until I read posts on Mumsnet that I realised how offensive the keffiyeh can be to Jewish people. I now understand that it can be perceived as antisemitic and as a personal attack on all Jewish people - although it's often not the case at all.

I have only just heard such strong opinions like the one expressed today in regards to wearing it in a public setting, from a very extremist view point on social media. I tend to avoid such accounts/people.

Whatsinanamehey · 22/01/2025 19:57

Oodiks · 22/01/2025 19:46

I don't feel any hate towards people wearing the Keffiyeh, but I don't think it's appropriate in a work setting and would like to have some way to respond in kind.

After this thread I think the yellow ribbon is probably the way to go, but I'd honestly rather people left their politics at home when they came to work.

If you don't feel it's appropriate in a work setting then fair enough. My response was to the poster who was demonising those wearing it in a public setting.

Inauthentic · 22/01/2025 19:52

Are your colleagues aware that you are Jewish?

It wasn’t until I read posts on Mumsnet that I realised how offensive the keffiyeh can be to Jewish people. I now understand that it can be perceived as antisemitic and as a personal attack on all Jewish people - although it's often not the case at all.

Dulra · 22/01/2025 19:50

Oodiks · 22/01/2025 19:46

I don't feel any hate towards people wearing the Keffiyeh, but I don't think it's appropriate in a work setting and would like to have some way to respond in kind.

After this thread I think the yellow ribbon is probably the way to go, but I'd honestly rather people left their politics at home when they came to work.

but I don't think it's appropriate in a work setting and would like to have some way to respond in kind.

I agree but why respond in kind why not just address in with HR?

Oodiks · 22/01/2025 19:46

Whatsinanamehey · 22/01/2025 18:35

It feels like the hate towards the keffiyah and those who wear it, to show solidarity with the Palestinians, is another form of demonising pro-Palestinian voices.

I don't feel any hate towards people wearing the Keffiyeh, but I don't think it's appropriate in a work setting and would like to have some way to respond in kind.

After this thread I think the yellow ribbon is probably the way to go, but I'd honestly rather people left their politics at home when they came to work.

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Inauthentic · 22/01/2025 19:23

Cultural symbols like the keffiyeh can spark such strong reactions. I think it's worth reflecting on why people choose to wear these symbols and what they mean to them. I think many people see them as expressions of solidarity, others may wear it for different reasons.

For this reason, I believe people should avoid wearing such symbols in a professional setting.

It’s unfortunate that the keffiyeh is often interpreted solely as an antisemitic statement or an attack on Jews.
Many people fail to distinguish between solidarity for victims of war crime and prejudice against a people or religion.

I also believe that conflating these issues is convenient for some as it can be used to stifle dialogue and criticism.

Whatsinanamehey · 22/01/2025 19:07

Well, clearly we disagree.

SpunkyCritic · 22/01/2025 18:36

Whatsinanamehey · 22/01/2025 18:11

I find your post highly offensive.

I have expressed my experiences and opinion, as have you.

Keep wearing yours with pride then.
I find hoards of people with keffiyas chanting about killing people in London highly offensive and in no way comparable to people wearing ribbons to represent the release of innocent hostages. That is offensive.

Whatsinanamehey · 22/01/2025 18:35

It feels like the hate towards the keffiyah and those who wear it, to show solidarity with the Palestinians, is another form of demonising pro-Palestinian voices.

Whatsinanamehey · 22/01/2025 18:27

I wear my keffiyah with pride and I will continue to do so in public. It's no less offensive than wearing a yellow ribbon or a sudra.
I hope you can see what an extreme position it is to call it what you have.

Whatsinanamehey · 22/01/2025 18:11

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I find your post highly offensive.

SpunkyCritic · 22/01/2025 18:10

Oh and I refuse to do the pronoun email signature!

Yeah, I'm a proud Terf... Hate me some more!

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Oodiks · 22/01/2025 00:24

Martymcfly24 · 21/01/2025 23:07

Because these are life and death issues for Palestinians and Israelis not something that we can just use as fodder to start a pile on and to bandy about the same words and phrases.

Your president has just earmarked Gaza as his next rich person's playground due to the weather and the beach.
I think that is probably a much bigger issue at the moment.

Of course there are bigger issues, go start a thread on one you feel deserves attention.
Meanwhile, I didn't vote for the orange tyrant.

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Martymcfly24 · 21/01/2025 23:07

Because these are life and death issues for Palestinians and Israelis not something that we can just use as fodder to start a pile on and to bandy about the same words and phrases.

Your president has just earmarked Gaza as his next rich person's playground due to the weather and the beach.
I think that is probably a much bigger issue at the moment.

Oodiks · 21/01/2025 22:57

Martymcfly24 · 21/01/2025 22:49

The pro Palestinian group your new friend you spoke about invited you too that you didn't know how you would turn down.

Look,you do you, but there is clearly an agenda with these threads to whip up a pile on about social media junkies just hopping on the next bandwagon.

Oh that, well I told her I couldn't come to the meeting and we're meeting for a coffee on Friday.

I don't know why you've got a hair up your ass about my posts, hey, but you do you.

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Martymcfly24 · 21/01/2025 22:49

The pro Palestinian group your new friend you spoke about invited you too that you didn't know how you would turn down.

Look,you do you, but there is clearly an agenda with these threads to whip up a pile on about social media junkies just hopping on the next bandwagon.