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Israel has broken the ceasefire

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Bpe · 20/01/2025 23:31

Are we surprised? I mean this happened multiple times last time. I do wonder if the media will report.
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SpunkyCritic · 26/01/2025 18:26

Lalaloveya · 26/01/2025 18:04

The OP is about the murders. It's the point of the thread.

It was just an observation. It's not unusual behaviour here. In fact it's the norm.

And what do you mean by "not unusual behaviour"?
What are you trying to say exactly??

SpunkyCritic · 26/01/2025 18:25

Lalaloveya · 26/01/2025 18:04

The OP is about the murders. It's the point of the thread.

It was just an observation. It's not unusual behaviour here. In fact it's the norm.

This thread is about Israel "breaking the ceasefire".
Naturally people are going to point out that is made up BS.

Perhaps instead of perpetuating untruths and tracking who you think likes murder, you would do better stating the facts and not continuing with the lies.

I don't feel I have to virtue signal and express sympathy for innocent civilians. I assume that's pretty much a given both for pro-Pal and pro-Israel.
What a shame you do not.

SharonEllis · 26/01/2025 18:19

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Dont deliberately manipulate my point out of context. That quote was in response to an example of an IDF operation against identified terrorists which took place before the 7 October - the point being that there was a ceasefire pre 7 October & legitimate security operations against terrorists were not a breach.

As I also said
'You can't just make up the terms of a ceasefire and then try and emotionally manipulate people because you've been called out. Its a matter of facts and reality. That doesn't stop anyone caring about someone being killed, you just cant twist tnat into being a breach of the ceasefire just because you want it to be'.

MrsSkylerWhite · 26/01/2025 18:09

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Lalaloveya · 26/01/2025 18:04

The OP is about the murders. It's the point of the thread.

It was just an observation. It's not unusual behaviour here. In fact it's the norm.

SharonEllis · 26/01/2025 18:00

Lalaloveya · 26/01/2025 17:30

On a thread about the murders I would have thought it was the obvious thing for people to say.

Instead we've had discussions about everything except what actually happened. The definition of ceasefire, what counts as disinformation, the validity of certain news sources etc. Nothing about the dead civilians.

Nothing you can say to dismiss my point will make that fact normal.

Nonsense. The title of the thread was about Israel breaking the ceasefire. Of course people are going to point out that that was factually incorrect. The title of the thread was not about dead civilians.

SpunkyCritic · 26/01/2025 17:46

Lalaloveya · 26/01/2025 17:30

On a thread about the murders I would have thought it was the obvious thing for people to say.

Instead we've had discussions about everything except what actually happened. The definition of ceasefire, what counts as disinformation, the validity of certain news sources etc. Nothing about the dead civilians.

Nothing you can say to dismiss my point will make that fact normal.

Absolutely ridiculous. You really are clutching at straws to demonise anyone who supports Israel.

Lalaloveya · 26/01/2025 17:30

twilighttavern · 26/01/2025 16:39

Yes your right, every single poster who doesn't rush to post on every single thread must condone murder. Its the only explanation. 🙄

On a thread about the murders I would have thought it was the obvious thing for people to say.

Instead we've had discussions about everything except what actually happened. The definition of ceasefire, what counts as disinformation, the validity of certain news sources etc. Nothing about the dead civilians.

Nothing you can say to dismiss my point will make that fact normal.

twilighttavern · 26/01/2025 16:39

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Yes your right, every single poster who doesn't rush to post on every single thread must condone murder. Its the only explanation. 🙄

Lalaloveya · 26/01/2025 14:31

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Scirocco · 26/01/2025 09:45

As shots are fired at civilians, a key ally proposes to "just clear [Gaza] out".

Auvergne63 · 23/01/2025 19:01

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SpunkyCritic · 23/01/2025 18:17

Auvergne63 · 23/01/2025 17:26

According to you I am wrong. funny that a Israeli newspaper appears to back up my claim. But what do they know?
https://www.timesofisrael.com/cabinet-vote-said-delayed-until-saturday-night-as-us-urges-swift-approval-of-deal/
You're wrong but instead of admitting it, you deflect to the usual Israel loves killing kids BS.
You said that I didn't. Are you denying that 16 000 children are dead?

WTF are you going on about?

Your 'gotcha' link says the cabinet was delayed whilst kinks were ironed out, I agreed that occurred.
Part of that was Hamas not agreeing to certain things. There was also official proceedings and Shabbos which contributed to the delay.

There is a theme of attacking certain posters even when they are in agreement on this forum. Bullying behaviour is never attractive.

Oodiks · 23/01/2025 18:04

SugarandSpiceandAllThingsNaice · 23/01/2025 13:02

You have just provided additional proof that no ceasefire was in place on Oct 7th, 2023.

It was as close as this ongoing conflict ever gets to a ceasefire.

Auvergne63 · 23/01/2025 17:26

SpunkyCritic · 23/01/2025 16:40

The cabinet was delayed as Hamas weren't agreeing to all aspects of the deal. What do you expect?!

Here we go again.

You're wrong but instead of admitting it, you deflect to the usual Israel loves killing kids BS.

According to you I am wrong. funny that a Israeli newspaper appears to back up my claim. But what do they know?
https://www.timesofisrael.com/cabinet-vote-said-delayed-until-saturday-night-as-us-urges-swift-approval-of-deal/
You're wrong but instead of admitting it, you deflect to the usual Israel loves killing kids BS.
You said that I didn't. Are you denying that 16 000 children are dead?

SpunkyCritic · 23/01/2025 16:40

Auvergne63 · 23/01/2025 16:24

Strange no one mentioned Hamas not abiding by the ceasefire agreements last week when handing over the list of hostages.
The ceasefire wasn't in place then. It was delayed because of this. Strange you didn't mentioned the delayed Israeli cabinet meeting.
Can you imagine any other subject where 4 pages of people claiming something untrue as true would be acceptable?
Imaging threads after threads supporting the slaughter of 16 000 children would be acceptable.

The cabinet was delayed as Hamas weren't agreeing to all aspects of the deal. What do you expect?!

Here we go again.

You're wrong but instead of admitting it, you deflect to the usual Israel loves killing kids BS.

SpunkyCritic · 23/01/2025 16:32

Whatsinanamehey · 23/01/2025 16:25

They have breached the fragile ceasefire by shooting and killing Palestinians including atleast one child. Their excuse as usual for the continuous attack on Palestinians has been self defense.

Oh ok. Is that what the ceasefire signatories have said then?

Why hasn't that been reported then? Why are people still looking forward to the release of more innocent hostages this weekend?

I think you mean that the ceasefire has been broken in your opinion. Either that or you really just don't understand how these agreements work.

Whatsinanamehey · 23/01/2025 16:25

SpunkyCritic · 23/01/2025 15:58

So despite all your claims, Israel has not broken the ceasefire.

Strange no one mentioned Hamas not abiding by the ceasefire agreements last week when handing over the list of hostages.

Can you imagine any other subject where 4 pages of people claiming something untrue as true would be acceptable?

They have breached the fragile ceasefire by shooting and killing Palestinians including atleast one child. Their excuse as usual for the continuous attack on Palestinians has been self defense.

Auvergne63 · 23/01/2025 16:24

SpunkyCritic · 23/01/2025 15:58

So despite all your claims, Israel has not broken the ceasefire.

Strange no one mentioned Hamas not abiding by the ceasefire agreements last week when handing over the list of hostages.

Can you imagine any other subject where 4 pages of people claiming something untrue as true would be acceptable?

Strange no one mentioned Hamas not abiding by the ceasefire agreements last week when handing over the list of hostages.
The ceasefire wasn't in place then. It was delayed because of this. Strange you didn't mentioned the delayed Israeli cabinet meeting.
Can you imagine any other subject where 4 pages of people claiming something untrue as true would be acceptable?
Imaging threads after threads supporting the slaughter of 16 000 children would be acceptable.

SpunkyCritic · 23/01/2025 15:58

So despite all your claims, Israel has not broken the ceasefire.

Strange no one mentioned Hamas not abiding by the ceasefire agreements last week when handing over the list of hostages.

Can you imagine any other subject where 4 pages of people claiming something untrue as true would be acceptable?

SugarandSpiceandAllThingsNaice · 23/01/2025 13:02

Oodiks · 22/01/2025 01:17

Now do number of rockets fired into Israel in that time period.

You have just provided additional proof that no ceasefire was in place on Oct 7th, 2023.

mouthpipette · 23/01/2025 00:36

Oodiks · 22/01/2025 22:54

Who is this aimed at?

For me, possibly.
For suppression, read oppression.

Oodiks · 22/01/2025 22:54

hellohellooo · 22/01/2025 22:43

Just read back over some of your terminology there would you?

Who is this aimed at?

hellohellooo · 22/01/2025 22:43

Just read back over some of your terminology there would you?

mouthpipette · 22/01/2025 22:42

hellohellooo · 22/01/2025 20:37

Exactly !!!!!

Without a shadow of a doubt

How can anyone claim otherwise is beyond me 😞😞😞

I don't think it's Israel's aim to eradicate all Palestinians. I think that conclusion is an exaggeration and also unfair upon Israel. Whilst Israel in its current form may be brutal and inhumane, it hasn't quite got that bad. Additionally, Israel is not so stupid as to believe that you could achieve eradication of the Palestinians. There are too many of them and they would always keep coming back. The obscenely high death toll so far, does not come from a deliberate determination to kill Gazans, but just a total disregard for their lives as Israel continues to pursue some gnarled objective of eliminating Hamas. Israel just doesn't care if civilians are in the way.

Why try to effect elimination when suppression generally achieves its ends ? Suppression also gives you the option to use violent suppression when you see yourself under attack. So suppression against an ever increasingly hostile suppressee is the method that Israel has ratcheted up over the decades. Until we have what we have today.
So the Palestinians will keep fighting for a better lot and for relief from suppression and the Israelis will keep fighting back until.......?

Until the two sides are forced to negotiate an end to violence.

And, seeing as how the vast majority of the ordnance meted out over the past 15 months has originated in Israel, it would have made sense for them to have stopped, as a gesture of goodwill, in order that this horror should stop. But they didn't and they have earned themselves the reputation they now have. Much of the obscenity of Israel's actions are, apart from starting them, is the fact that they could have ended them at any time.

Israel has got to stop blocking negotiations. They must sit down and in return for a guarantee of non-violence hand over the whole of the west bank, create free-flow of people from Gaza to WB and help rebuild and trade with the newly created state of Palestine.

Take the right wing Israeli Nationalists and deport them to the newly formed state of Palestine on the WB, where they can live as Palestinian citizens in a Palestinian state. (they'll love that !)
Meanwhile all the peacenik Israelis will live in harmony with its new neighbours. Just an idea.

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