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Hamas and Gaza celebrates

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LetThereBeLove · 16/01/2025 12:37

Hillel Nueur, International human rights lawyer, writer, Executive Director of United Nations Watch writes: 'Never before in history has a side claimed that they suffered a genocide and at the same time that they won the war they had started.'

If you read only a handful of messages on social media today and watch the news, people in Gaza are celebrating and Hamas state they will continue (their barbarity) until Israel is eradicated. I won't repost these as anyone can find them easily.

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NoisyBear · 19/01/2025 17:51

SpunkyCritic · 19/01/2025 17:19

The 7th October was not the evil deeds of a few bad individuals, it took a collective endeavour by thousands of ordinary people... in the hatred of Jews.
Don't agree. Don't equate innocent civilians and children with Hamas

Where on earth have all the 1000s and 1000s of Hamas soldiers come from then?
People defend the actions of Palestine by saying the elections were years ago, but most of the Hamas fighters I have seen have been young men. They are indoctrinated since birth and until there is complete deradicalisation, the hate will still be there and Palestinians will suffer from a government who hates Jews more than it cares about it own people.

If you were born under occupation into an extremely restricted life due to collective punishment by Israel and had endured Israeli bombardments throughout your lifetime would you need to be indoctrinated to not like Israelis? I say Israelis because I have noticed that in the same way Israelis call Palestinians 'Arabs', Palestinians call Israelis 'Jews'.

SharonEllis · 19/01/2025 17:51

inamarina · 19/01/2025 17:48

It really tells you something that Hamas need weapons to keep the baying mob of away…

And I think as a swagger & show of strength. Chilling.

inamarina · 19/01/2025 17:48

LetThereBeLove · 19/01/2025 17:46

I expect nothing better from them. Same as their rejoicing over the hostages when they were taken into Gaza on 7/10/23.

It really tells you something that Hamas need weapons to keep the baying mob of away…

LetThereBeLove · 19/01/2025 17:46

inamarina · 19/01/2025 17:43

Awful. Also the footage showing crowds surrounding the vehicles carrying the hostages and jeering at them.

I expect nothing better from them. Same as their rejoicing over the hostages when they were taken into Gaza on 7/10/23.

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inamarina · 19/01/2025 17:43

SpunkyCritic · 19/01/2025 17:21

Good Lord. What a sad and frightening sight.

Awful. Also the footage showing crowds surrounding the vehicles carrying the hostages and jeering at them.

ArtTheClown · 19/01/2025 17:31

The hostage handover scenes were a hard watch as well, but at least they are home safe now.

LetThereBeLove · 19/01/2025 17:25

ArtTheClown · 19/01/2025 17:15

I really don't know how long this ceasefire is going to hold:

https://x.com/kyg_best/status/1880999235568685514

"Khaybar Khaybar ya Yahud."

Am not at all surprised sadly. Hamas and their followers and supporters have made no secret of their aim to eradicate Israel and kill all Jews.

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SharonEllis · 19/01/2025 17:24

SpunkyCritic · 19/01/2025 17:13

Which is absolutely true if Hamas or any of the other terrorist groups re-control the area.
This is extremely obvious.

And given that Hamas is a proscribed terrorist organisation in this country precisely because of this, noone should be deleted on here for saying it.

SpunkyCritic · 19/01/2025 17:21

ArtTheClown · 19/01/2025 17:15

I really don't know how long this ceasefire is going to hold:

https://x.com/kyg_best/status/1880999235568685514

"Khaybar Khaybar ya Yahud."

Good Lord. What a sad and frightening sight.

SpunkyCritic · 19/01/2025 17:19

The 7th October was not the evil deeds of a few bad individuals, it took a collective endeavour by thousands of ordinary people... in the hatred of Jews.
Don't agree. Don't equate innocent civilians and children with Hamas

Where on earth have all the 1000s and 1000s of Hamas soldiers come from then?
People defend the actions of Palestine by saying the elections were years ago, but most of the Hamas fighters I have seen have been young men. They are indoctrinated since birth and until there is complete deradicalisation, the hate will still be there and Palestinians will suffer from a government who hates Jews more than it cares about it own people.

ArtTheClown · 19/01/2025 17:15

I really don't know how long this ceasefire is going to hold:

https://x.com/kyg_best/status/1880999235568685514

"Khaybar Khaybar ya Yahud."

x.com

https://x.com/kyg_best/status/1880999235568685514

SpunkyCritic · 19/01/2025 17:13

Whatsinanamehey · 19/01/2025 08:22

I'm not sure how anyone who was posting in between the posts could have missed it. It was said over and over again that a Palestinian state would be an existential threat to Israel.

Which is absolutely true if Hamas or any of the other terrorist groups re-control the area.
This is extremely obvious.

argyllherewecome · 19/01/2025 14:36

Before Israel, Palestine and Jordan were formed, there was British Transjordan. There had never been a sovereign Palestinian state to “steal”. The existence of Israel is no more a theft of Palestinian land than the existence of Jordan is! None of them was a sovereign nation

This land was home to many people, who were forced off it, killed, tortured, sexually abused and imprisoned. Land was stolen, confiscated and its people were illegally displaced and continue to be until this very day. Please, please, don't dehumanize millions of people, by making this simply about land borders.

NoisyBear · 19/01/2025 12:07

SharonEllis · 19/01/2025 10:43

Unlimited aid would be chaos - aid agencies will know what level of aid can be managed. Unlimited aid could not be supervised. Hamas would steal the aid (as they have a strong track recird of doing), it would be looted, which has been a problem throughout, and it would not be distributed in an orderly manner. Have we firgotten what sort of organisation Hamas is, how many armed gangs there are in gaza? Im sure the idea come from a place meaning well but ask anyone with experience of humanitarian aid and it has to be managed.

It should be up to the aid agencies not Israel to decide how much aid goes in. Aid workers are professionals, they would be able to manage it without Israel putting arbitrary limits. If the want 700 one day, 850 the next and 500 the next they should be able to do that. Of course people with experience if humanitarian aid know that it has to be managed and they have also critised Israels arbitrary limits on what they can do. If you acknowledge that aid agencies know best then you must acknowledge that Israel are wrong to put limits on what they can and can't do.

LetThereBeLove · 19/01/2025 12:07

SharonEllis · 19/01/2025 08:25

Only if the Hamas threat wasn't dealt with. Thats obviously true - Hamas's stated intention is to destroy Israel.

Many posters on this and other threads either don't know, are misremebering or have their heads in the sand. They should read the Hamas charter, last updated in 2017 where their clear and stated aim is the eradication of the 'Zionist State' aka Israel and that Palestine will take its place with Jerusalem its capital.
https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/hamas-2017-document-full

Hamas in 2017: The document in full

Hamas explains general principles and objectives in 42-article document

https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/hamas-2017-document-full

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Dulra · 19/01/2025 11:02

“The target is to get between 500 and 600 trucks in per day over the coming weeks,” said Dr Rik Peeperkorn, WHO representative in the occupied Palestinian territories (OPT).

This would represent “a huge increase” from the 40 to 50 lorries reaching Gaza in recent months and be similar to the level of aid reaching Gaza before war erupted on 7 October 2023, drastically reducing relief deliveries.

This is what the UN are aiming for, massive increase from what has been getting through. I have full trust in the UN managing this challenging humanitarian operation well.

https://news.un.org/en/story/2025/01/1159116

Gaza ceasefire could boost aid deliveries to 600 trucks per day: WHO

Amid reports that Israel’s security cabinet has given the green light to a ceasefire deal with Hamas, the UN World Health Organization (WHO) expressed cautious optimism on Friday over the potentially major boost to aid relief in the devastated enclave.

https://news.un.org/en/story/2025/01/1159116

SharonEllis · 19/01/2025 10:43

NoisyBear · 19/01/2025 10:37

It's a great shame that unlimited aid is not being allowed in during the ceasefire. 600 trucks a day is obviously better than it was but with 9 out of 10 homes destroyed it won't even touch the sides realistically. I saw this photo today and the devastation is just unbelievable. Navigating through the endless destruction to try and help everyone with resources still being limited will be an impossible challenge I would imagine.

Unlimited aid would be chaos - aid agencies will know what level of aid can be managed. Unlimited aid could not be supervised. Hamas would steal the aid (as they have a strong track recird of doing), it would be looted, which has been a problem throughout, and it would not be distributed in an orderly manner. Have we firgotten what sort of organisation Hamas is, how many armed gangs there are in gaza? Im sure the idea come from a place meaning well but ask anyone with experience of humanitarian aid and it has to be managed.

NoisyBear · 19/01/2025 10:37

Whatsinanamehey · 19/01/2025 10:29

UNWRA alone has 4,000 trucks of aid waiting to enter. I really do hope this ceasefire lasts for everyone's sake. The bloodshed has gone on for far too long

It's a great shame that unlimited aid is not being allowed in during the ceasefire. 600 trucks a day is obviously better than it was but with 9 out of 10 homes destroyed it won't even touch the sides realistically. I saw this photo today and the devastation is just unbelievable. Navigating through the endless destruction to try and help everyone with resources still being limited will be an impossible challenge I would imagine.

Hamas and Gaza celebrates
Whatsinanamehey · 19/01/2025 10:29

UNWRA alone has 4,000 trucks of aid waiting to enter. I really do hope this ceasefire lasts for everyone's sake. The bloodshed has gone on for far too long

NoisyBear · 19/01/2025 10:24

Dulra · 19/01/2025 10:18

Yes they've been parked up there since last week. Non sensical that they've had to sit there waiting (packed with crucial medical and humanitarian supplies) until a ceasefire agreement before they could have safe access.

I was just saying the same thing to dh. It's so sad that all along there has been so many people waiting and willing to help but they haven't been safe to do so. There has been so much pointless loss of life, trauma and pain over the past 15months. I really hope that everyone entering Gaza to help is kept safe, it must be very scary for them for so many reasons but they are all lined up waiting anyway.

Dulra · 19/01/2025 10:18

NoisyBear · 19/01/2025 10:07

I saw a video of rows of ambulances and aid trucks lined up in Egypt waiting to enter Gaza and it made me cry. The relief Palestinians will feel to finally have some help coming for them and their families. I can't imagine.

Yes they've been parked up there since last week. Non sensical that they've had to sit there waiting (packed with crucial medical and humanitarian supplies) until a ceasefire agreement before they could have safe access.

NoisyBear · 19/01/2025 10:07

SummerFeverVenice · 18/01/2025 23:01

I’m celebrating the ceasefire, we are all winners for choosing to stop killing each other. I don’t care how war mongers choose to justify putting down their weapons or stopping their killing machines in their twisted ways- so long as they stick to peace.

I am hoping it holds. No more death. Too many have died and for nothing.
I am looking forward to some happiness being snatched for the families of the hostages and detainees.
I am looking forward to rebuilding and no more babies or children dying of starvation or cold.
I am looking forward to wounded civilians getting the medical care they need/urgent evacuations.

I saw a video of rows of ambulances and aid trucks lined up in Egypt waiting to enter Gaza and it made me cry. The relief Palestinians will feel to finally have some help coming for them and their families. I can't imagine.

Whatsinanamehey · 19/01/2025 08:29

SharonEllis · 19/01/2025 08:25

Only if the Hamas threat wasn't dealt with. Thats obviously true - Hamas's stated intention is to destroy Israel.

No, that wasn't the only reason given. The posts were deleted for a reason so I'm not going to hash it out again.

SharonEllis · 19/01/2025 08:25

Whatsinanamehey · 19/01/2025 08:22

I'm not sure how anyone who was posting in between the posts could have missed it. It was said over and over again that a Palestinian state would be an existential threat to Israel.

Only if the Hamas threat wasn't dealt with. Thats obviously true - Hamas's stated intention is to destroy Israel.

Whatsinanamehey · 19/01/2025 08:22

I'm not sure how anyone who was posting in between the posts could have missed it. It was said over and over again that a Palestinian state would be an existential threat to Israel.