Hamas and Gaza celebrates

Do you think hamas would be able to recruit people that lived in an equal and fair society ? Israel's occupation and apartheid state is by far the biggest recruiter of hamas .

What would a fair and equal society look like to you? Are you talking about a two-state solution?

The place/time of the hostage release would have been agreed upon as part of the ceasefire agreement. I don't think it defies belief at all. Hamas doesn't need any "free publicity", this conflict has been all over msm and social media, all of which are free. I think now, more than ever the world are more familiar with Hamas and Israeli names as a result. Re propaganda, Israel have been fairly robust in producing their own negative imagery in the last year or so.

Why was it such a public release? It defies belief.

It's just free publicity for Hamas. More propaganda to be used against Israel and to intimidate any Palestinian who dares object to their authority.

The exchanges of the hostages should be held in a safe space. Romi, Emily and Doron must have thought they were going to be lynched.

You must have missed the horrifying part where the Israeli cabinet members have stated death to Palestinians. This isn't about good cop/bad cop, there are murderers and horrible people on both sides.

To all of you going on about de radicalisation and other bullshit rhetoric . Who do you think is the biggest recruiter for hamas ? Do you think hamas would be able to recruit people that lived in an equal and fair society ? Israel's occupation and apartheid state is by far the biggest recruiter of hamas .
How many young people that lost everything will join hamas now ? This "theory" that they can eliminate hamas is complete bullshit as long as their is occupation there will be hamas
And why is no one talking about how many "prisoners" or "terrorist" are held in israeli prisons with no trial ? Get your head our of tour butts and stop being so delusional

As they said, terror camps for children. The Martyrs Fund. I agree that there is hatred and prejudice on both sides it is institutionalised to a far greater extent in Gaza because its run by a terrorist religious dictatorship. Iff you grow up believing in the virtue of martyrdom & knowing you and/or your family will be paid for killing Jews you are going to know that your society thinks is a good thing. The PA will spend more than 170 million dollars on salaries through the 'martyrs fund' .https://www.jns.org/661-terrorists-tied-to-oct-7-to-get-pa-pay-for-slay-stipends/

This is an old article but the article after shows nothing has changed https://www.washingtoninstitute.org/policy-analysis/teaching-terror-how-hamas-radicalizes-palestinian-society

Virtues of maryrdom & jihad inculcated by Hamas in preschoolers through cartoons
https://www.memri.org/reports/hamas-indoctrination-children-jihad-martyrdom-hatred-jews

There is a reason why Hamas is proscribed as a terrorist organisation.

True. But photos clearly show Hamas were having to use guns to keep the mobs of civilians away from the hostages during their release.

That's the horrifing part. As angry as I am to see Hamas swaggering about the streets, it was only their armed presence that stopped that mob getting their hands on the hostages.

True. But photos clearly show Hamas were having to use guns to keep the mobs of civilians away from the hostages during their release.
Still their chants of wishing death to Jews can be heard though.

On what are you basing your first statement? Why do you think it's fair to say that? If you look up Miko Peled for example, he talks a lot about the indoctrination within the Israeli school curriculum.
@SpunkyCritic I'm not pro Hamas at all, I think 'but Hamas' is a very convenient shield to hide years of murder and abuse behind. Israel has been committing atrocities decades before the birth of Hamas. @Halbiiamz anyone who dies in Palestine as a result of murder due to the occupying forces is considered a martyr, whether that be a an 80 year olf man or an unborn foetus.

I'm actually so disgusted right now. After Hamas brought hell raining down on Gaza for over year, these well fed men now put on their nice clean uniforms and pile into their nice clean pickups and parade around the streets of Gaza waving their guns like they're some sort of heros, and didn't spend over a year using the civilian population as human shields.

Nope but you certainly were denying the harm that living under Israel occupation and illegal blockade does.
Is there a reason for that?

People with guns can intimidate and coerce which is why I often find some of the rhetoric on here with regards Palestinians, repulsive, at times ludicrous and very naïve. People caught between a rock and hard place i.e Hamas and Israel.

I think it's fair to say Palestinians are indoctrinated far more than Jewish people are. There aren't terrorist training camps for children in Israel. Schools in Israel don't teach children to hate Arabs. Whereas the opposite is unfortunately true in Gaza. And these were supposedly schools run by UNRWA...other schools I think had even worse indoctrination. Whist the families of suicide bombers can get paid for blowing up Jewish people I can't really see how there will be peace. And this includes the west bank....how can it be legal to have a "martyr fund"?....it is really mind boggling.

@NoisyBear @argyllherewecome are you denying the harm Hamas has caused the Palestinians? Do you think they have done Gaza a great service?

You both seem to be blaming Israel for the lack of infrastructure and development in Gaza.

Most likely, but threats of violence and intimidation will go a long way to secure Hamas as the ruling authority in Gaza. It has worked for them up until now.

Until they are removed as the ruling authority, along with their hateful ideology, Palestinians don't stand a chance of peace and democratic elections.

I know. I don't engage anymore as it is utterly pointless.
I hope one day soon that independent observers/press are allowed in Gaza and tell the world what really happened. I fear it is much worse than we think.

Definitely a worry as according to Blinken Israel's actions over the past year has been a very effective recruitment drive for Hamas.

I'm not angry and I not interested in nonsense that pretends Israel haven't still been controlling the Gaza strip and they should be grateful for Israel. They have repeatedly built infrastructure within the confines of an illegal blockade and Israel have repeatedly targeted it and bombed it.

I'm not sure if you are being ironic by talking about indoctrination in one post and then repeating the pro Israel script that makes Palestinians out to be a feckless lot in the next?

That's rather wishful thinking. The scenes in Al-Saraya Square in Gaza City symbolised the next phase. Hamas will assert its authority in Gaza through force, threats and intimidation. They are the ruling authority and will determine the post-war reality at the expense of ordinary Palestinian civilians.

I think empathy in this thread is only one way.
I cannot even comprehend how Gazans have suffered for 15 months.
Imagine thinking you could die any minute every time you hear a plane/drone.
It is beyond belief.

I have been both in Israel and Palestine. In both Hebrew and Arabic they refer to both themselves and each other as "Jews" and "Arabs". Within Israel there are many Israeli non Jews and many Jews who aren't Israeli (culturally or by birth). People on here tie themselves up in knots to keep saying "Israelis" when we should just say Jews, because it is more factually correct.

And to the PP, do you really think the indoctrination is one sided? There are plenty of jews who grew up in Israel (and outside) who have spoken online about their childhood experiences , how they were taught that 'Arabs' were animals, had no soul, were backward, ate their own faeces, couldn't read or write and so on. So I don't think it's fair to say the Palestinians are indoctrinated, they are just passing on the account of oppressive events.

Are you unaware of the rockets fired at Israel? The death toll is only lower because of the Iron Dome and defence systems.

Israel has been out of Gaza for decades, yet gives them aid money, free electricity, free water etc.
Your anger is misplaced. Perhaps you should be marching to get rid of Hamas and stopping the Anti-semitism.

Instead of using water pipes for missiles, destroying agricultural land and basically running the country into the ground whilst they live in mansions.
Spending billions of aid money on themselves and bombing Israel rather than building power stations, exploiting their aquifiers, feeding their people etc.

Perhaps then the Palestinians will stand a chance. At the moment all that is going happen is Palestinians are going back to the same old shit whilst still blaming Israel for all its woes.

@SharonEllis And have we forgotten the IDF murdering many of those guarding aid convoys including the British ex-soldiers? With the threat of IDF reined in maybe order will be a bit easier to implement.

I am so relieved they are home, but look at what Romi, Emily and Doron endured at the handover. I felt physically sick.

Rushdi Abualouf, Gaza correspondence in Istanbul, said, ' Hamas aimed to assert its dominance in Gaza today, sending a clear message that it is the ruling authority and will determine the post-war reality.

The scene in Al-Saraya Square in Gaza City symbolised the next phase.
It served as an internal message to opposition groups in Gaza, who have voiced anger over the widespread destruction of homes and infrastructure.

The display of weapons was meant to rally supporters while warning opponents of the potential consequences of challenging Hamas’s rule.

It was also a message to Hamas’s long-standing rival, the Fatah movement, which has plans to re-enter Gaza through border crossings or reconstruction efforts:

Gaza remains firmly under Hamas’s control'.

Hamas and Fatah, how are the two groups different? It is an old article but still an interesting read.

www.aljazeera.com/features/2017/10/12/hamas-and-fatah-how-are-the-two-groups-different