Hamas and Gaza celebrates

Do you think after 7 October, particularly, plus the various terrorist attacks over the years, that Israel may have ongoing security concerns as well though?

It is 100% up to Israel to make amends because they are the aggressor, and as recognized by international law illegally occupying land and properties and committing horrendous crimes including murder, with impunity. Hopefully that will change. If you read the article and link you will see it yourself.
It doesn't matter how many times posters try to deflect back onto the harms allegedly caused by Hamas, and display faux concern for Palestinians, the main point is that Israel needs to stop defying international laws and behaving like the civil state that is purports to be.

Do you think the israeli side would ? Both sides need a solution and a compromise . Keeping palestinians as second class citizens with extreme
Surveillance and next to no rights in the name of "safety" does nothing to fix the issues .

Obviously there is propaganda on both sides.
But you’d need to be completely hooked by Hamas propaganda to not understand that they are bad for Palestinians/ Israelis and the region in general.
They are not the way to peace or to a fair and equal society in Gaza.

The PP blamed Israel for Hamas . I blame Iran ( and Islamist mindsets) for Hamas.
I do think the Israeli government/ IDF is guilty of some wrong doing and I hope there is a proper enquiry and the right people are held accountable for any war crimes.

It seems so.

No arrests as usual. The IDF as usual turning a blind eye when it's the Palestinians under attack. Dare they fight back and they'll be shot in the head.

When did Hamas agree to two states? What significant 2 state proposals have Israel repeatedly blocked?

As a pp has said the last charter is ambiguous and does not give up the concept of Palestine from the river to the sea. Summary here https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_Hamas_charter

And they have done nothing to clarify that ambiguity.

Why is it up to Israel to make amends when they have been repeatedly attacked, by terrorists internally and by external attacks? Surely all sides have amends to make?

People are too busy being outraged by the words of Palestinians to care about the actions of Israelis I'm afraid.

Where's the outrage that Jewish terrorists are setting Palestinian homes on fire right now?

If you think proganda is strong on the pro Palestinian side do you think propaganda is strong in pro Israeli people too? I have to say my eyes roll to the back of my head when the script gets rolled out, there is no apartheid, Gaza could be thriving if only the didn't put hatred in front of development. Always things that can be easily googled and disproved but it still gets trotted out like some kind of weird gotcha moment. Until I watched Israelism I was properly puzzled by it.

Agreed

'Death to Arabs' gets chanted a fair amount also. Nobody should be chanting or singing songs about killing people.

So they have accepted a two state solution. There is no need to accept legitimacy of any occupying force, they are two separate issues. In fact it's a massive compromise on their side to agree to the former. There's nothing confusing about it. I might accept that you forced me out of my house, but I will never accept that it is legitimately yours.

The Palestine Liberation Organization has accepted the concept of a two-state solution since the 1982 Arab Summit. In 2017, Hamas announced their revised charter, which claims to accept the idea of a Palestinian state within the 1967 borders, but without recognising the statehood of Israel

I just copied this very quickly from wiki, you can look into the links.

Please show us where Hamas has agreed to a two state solution?

It's confusing. The revised charter they'll accept a state with the 1967 borders, but it didn't at any point get amended to recognise Israeli statehood. So make of that what you will.

This charming woman Daniella Weiss has been around for a long time, telling how she strategically planned settlements in order to make a two state plan impossible. Here she is, only a few months ago saying that the Palestinians will disappear "to other countries around the world".

Palestine have agreed to the two state solution,

If that's the case it's rather odd behaviour to be chanting 'death to Jews' and trying to attack hostages.

It's up to Israel to make amends.

What would that mean in practice?

Palestine have agreed to the two state solution, it was right wing Israel who have repeatedly blocked and strategically blocked it. I think there is the outward acceptance that Israel exists, but the wounds that have resulted are so deep. It's up to Israel to make amends.
@OpheliaWasntMad I don't think people have been brainwashed, unless you think that means they have been fed lies to cover the actual truth? Israel's atrocities towards the Palestinian people has been amplified greatly in the last year, and yes many people have finally come to the realization of the truth. Israel have historically worked very hard to deflect any attention away from their harms and wrongdoings, but in this social media filled world that is much harder to do.

Why would Hamas have to protect the hostages from civilians

Aren't all civilians in gaza innocent?

@argyllherewecome rhetoric I remember. Actual baying mobs whilst hostages who have been held over a year are being 'delivered' whilst people (starving and downtrodden people???) chant at them and try and to string them up IS beyond belief. There are children there on both sides.

The justification of terror on here js inexcusable. They and you should be ashamed.

Yes but not as israel is now they have expanded their territory dramatically ! All
Illegal settlements should be removed .

Do you think the Palestinian side would agree to a two-state solution, and be content for Israel to continue to exist?

I think the online propaganda has been very successful for Hamas. There are people in the UK who have been brainwashed and need to be de- radicalised.
I hope there is fairness and equality in Israel and Gaza. It will never be achieved unless Hamas is removed.

Yes but not as israel is now they have expanded their territory dramatically ! All
Illegal settlements should be removed .