Hamas and Gaza celebrates

Can you quote where this is on the charter please? I just read the 2017 Charter and did not find anything about death to all Jews. Article 16 states that the struggle is not against Jews as a religion, but the Zionist entity.
Daniella Weiss on the other hand stated she wants rid of the Palestinians and they have lost the right to live there (in recent times Gaza, their home). Why is she and her party not a proscribed terrorist group? And she's certainly not on her own with these ideas.

What makes you say that? Because we don't think that that justifies an illegal blockade, locking up children indefinitely and sexually abusing them, locking up adults indefinitely or without a fair trial and torturing and sexually abusing them, apartheid, occupation, burning down villages, restricting access to education, healthcare, water and all of this was prior to Oct 7. We don't need to mention the many violent acts that have taken place since then.

So why have these peace loving people ignored the fact that their country is an illegal occupier that has people living under illegal blockade and under apartheid, the opposite of something peace lovers would want? That doesn't seem very peaceful. Are they all in the West Bank now protecting the settlers victims to ensure that peace reigns?

Maybe they are peace loving like you say but there is a heck of a lot of turning backs on violent, illegal behaviour and pretending that it isn't happening.

You think Hamas doesn't want a Palestinian state? Why would they not?

@argyllherewecome It is 100% up to Israel to make amends because they are the aggressor.

I can't, I just can't...

Well yes, most Israeli's are peace loving! The settler violence should be dealt with in the strongest manner. The divide of the land after may be more complicated... But I think resolution can be found🙏

Sadly I believe a 2 SS is even less likely now.
Precisely what Hamas wanted.

Except now the Israelis look unreasonable for many civilians not wanting it. Tbh, I can't blame them.

@Halbiiamz not sure why my message was deleted Exactly but i see you don't want to take into account settler violence ? Why is that ? They are a minority while all palestinians are extremist right?

Exactly.

Palestinians even rejected the 2 SS that would have given them 75-80% of the land.

Where does Egypt fit into this? Gaza also has a border there.

Israel left. Gaza 20 yrs ago. You can't blame everything on that. Or the British.
Jews were attacked in the Hebron Massacre in the 1920s before Israel was even formed for instance.

This is a wild take. Chill, peace loving settlers burning down villages. All one way 🙄

Oh I see you aren't talking about settler violence? Why? Palestinians can't ignore it so why do you?

.You are essentially saying that Israelis are peace loving except the ones that arent. Bearing in mind 10% of Israelis are settlers of one brand or another.

And how do you explain the decades of systematic abuse, torture and murder? Young children playing in the street who are shot at by military vehicles? Constantly repeating certain (false) statements does not make them true, nor does it convince people.

@OpheliaWasntMad

The suggestion above is that Hamas is an inevitable response to Israeli injustices. I don’t agree. I think that’s propaganda. Hamas is funded by Iran. There are many other Islamist groups throughout Middle East and Africa. Israel is not responsible for Hamas - but it is threatened by Hamas.

Iran are taking advantage of the situation but this type of terrorism does grow in response to injustice. If they lived in a free and just society, well how many terrorists would they recruit? Not to forget that it also suited Netanyahu to prop up Hamas, which he did for a long time.

They were attacked in the most horrendous way possible and they defended their people. I was more talking about historically though.... Israeli's generally are chill and want to live in peace. The attacking in peace time is all one way. Compared to the videos from Gaza where you have little children so indoctrinated with hate....that is not normal ....love your children more than hate towards others. ( I'm not talking about settler violence here which is awful and should be prosecuted)

To you want me to share quotes by elected officials of the democratic state of israel ?
The argument "but hamas" does not stand . Hamas are terrorist why should we judge israel the same way as we judge terrorists ?
Have you seen the state of palestinian prisoners ? They are very clearly being tortured by our "ally" state

I think you’ll fine the use of dumb bombs by the Israeli army far more lethal than suicide bombers. Have you seen the images of how the Israeli army has left Gaza?

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/jan/18/a-visual-guide-to-the-destruction-of-gaza

Comments by the right wing coalition clearly shows that Israel has not acted only defensively. Their hatred for Palestinians is clear. These are elected officials.

@immigrant101 are you struggling with the definition of 'carpet bomb'?

@Halbiiamz israel has only ever acted defensively ?? Are u for real? 🤣j they literally carpet bombed the entire gaza strip

@OpheliaWasntMad i did not say that at all . What i said was that the actions of israel since October 7 particularly made it much easier for hamas to recruit . Plenty of people
That lost everything and are only seeking revenge. How can you not see that?
The only thing this war achieved is increasing the likelihood this cycle will keep happening unless something drastically changes. I can't wait until Western journalists and UN aid workers and investigators come into the region and investigate everything. We'll finally have solid on the ground assessment of the food shortage and we can examine how much of the population has been maimed or starved and what's happened to the size of the population.
I've been alive from the age of the Oslo Accords to the age of Netanyahu. Gen Z didn't even see the Oslo Accords. They've only seen the age of Netanyahu. The image of Israel is in the trash. The attempts to protect with charges of antisemitism has hollowed out defenses against antisemitism by making the charge meaningless and as a result allowing real antisemitism to fester without real defenses.

Israel has only ever acted defensively...they would like to live in peace...the borders and restrictions are there to keep Israeli's ( Arab/ Jewish and Christian) safe. When you have suicide bombers coming over your borders and blowing up buses and restaurants what are they supposed to do? Have you ever heard of a Jewish suicide bomber? This hate is generally all one way....there were many peace initiatives that held a lot of hope before Oct last year. It's going to take years to get back to that place.

Oh OK. I never see people say that Hamas are good for Palestinians, certainly not on mumsnet.

I was responding to a pp who said ..
“To all of you going on about de radicalisation and other bullshit rhetoric . Who do you think is the biggest recruiter for hamas ? Do you think hamas would be able to recruit people that lived in an equal and fair society ? Israel's occupation and apartheid state is by far the biggest recruiter of hamas .”

The suggestion above is that Hamas is an inevitable response to Israeli injustices. I don’t agree. I think that’s propaganda. Hamas is funded by Iran. There are many other Islamist groups throughout Middle East and Africa. Israel is not responsible for Hamas - but it is threatened by Hamas.

I don’t agree with the excess Israeli response to October 7th. I think it caused too much suffering to too many innocent people. Unfortunately, As Hamas correctly anticipated- it has also damaged Israel’s standing.

She is one vile woman

Oh OK. I never see people say that Hamas are good for Palestinians, certainly not on mumsnet. I'm sure some people do somewhere but not in the circles I move in anyway and I'm not really on any social media other than Instagram where I look at pretty houses and cats. Israeli propaganda is rife on mumsnet which made me so confused at first. It can be like an stepping into an alternate reality trying to have a conversation here sometimes, I couldn't understand why people were stating the same easily disproved things as facts over and over again.