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Whatsinanamehey · 15/01/2025 22:15

Oodiks · 15/01/2025 22:13

Armies are generally controlled by the government of the country for which they are the army. Did you not know that?

That doesn't make them part of the government.

Oodiks · 15/01/2025 22:13

Whatsinanamehey · 15/01/2025 22:11

I didn't know the IDF were part of the Israeli government.

Armies are generally controlled by the government of the country for which they are the army. Did you not know that?

Oodiks · 15/01/2025 22:11

Whatsinanamehey · 15/01/2025 22:09

Perhaps Israel shouldn't commit a genocide and indiscriminately target civilians.

Perhaps Hamas should not have committed the atrocities they did on October 7 which started the current war.

Round and round we go.

Whatsinanamehey · 15/01/2025 22:11

Oodiks · 15/01/2025 22:09

Not really, no, you're still blaming 'Hamas' and 'Israel' rather than 'Hamas' and the 'Israeli government'.

But you knew that.

I didn't know the IDF were part of the Israeli government.

Whatsinanamehey · 15/01/2025 22:09

Oodiks · 15/01/2025 22:07

Perhaps their leaders should have built shelters for their people and constructed their facilities to withstand the inevitable repercussions of their raid on Israel and the constant rocket attacks.

Perhaps Israel shouldn't commit a genocide and indiscriminately target civilians.

SugarandSpiceandAllThingsNaice · 15/01/2025 22:09

Igotjelly · 15/01/2025 21:40

Using Zionist as a way to describe the Netanyahu govt is not “frowned upon” it’s incorrect. Zionism simply is the belief in a Jewish homeland, many zionists do not believe in the destruction of Palestine. Netanyahu and his ilk are extremists.

The Zionist Platform- aka the Jerusalem Program- would disagree with you. It is far more than a simple belief in a Jewish homeland. This tenant could require the ethnic cleansing of Palestine:

Settling the country as an expression of practical Zionism.

“country” is earlier referred to as “Eretz Yisrael”, which translates to Greater Israel which encompasses, at a minimum, all of the current Palestinian Territories and in other more extreme map drawing Jordan, Syria, Lebanon and parts of Egypt and Iraq.

https://www.wzo.org.il/page/about/jerusalem-program/en

Oodiks · 15/01/2025 22:09

NoisyBear · 15/01/2025 22:01

Oh OK. I hope I cleared that up by explaining that Palestine not a country Smile

Not really, no, you're still blaming 'Hamas' and 'Israel' rather than 'Hamas' and the 'Israeli government'.

But you knew that.

pompey38 · 15/01/2025 22:08

gloriagloria · 15/01/2025 19:11

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/c3rwqpj70ert

I really hope this is the beginning of peace and prosperity for both sides.

Completely pointless , this is exactly what they’ve been doing for donkey years, loads of people dead, loads of people displaced, Hamas still in control . Give it couple of years and will start again

Oodiks · 15/01/2025 22:07

EasterIssland · 15/01/2025 22:02

Homes , Businesses , schools and hospitals existed before 7-10

they don’t exist anymore as Israel has destroyed them

Perhaps their leaders should have built shelters for their people and constructed their facilities to withstand the inevitable repercussions of their raid on Israel and the constant rocket attacks.

EasterIssland · 15/01/2025 22:02

Oodiks · 15/01/2025 21:56

Let's hope the new administration in Gaza prioritizes homes, businesses, schools, and hospitals over tunnels and bombs.

Homes , Businesses , schools and hospitals existed before 7-10

they don’t exist anymore as Israel has destroyed them

NoisyBear · 15/01/2025 22:01

Oodiks · 15/01/2025 21:55

It's more that you named 'Israel' and 'Hamas' rather than the 'Israeli government' and 'Hamas', seeming to imply 'the whole of Israel', but 'just Hamas'

Oh OK. I hope I cleared that up by explaining that Palestine not a country Smile

R053 · 15/01/2025 21:59

Oodiks · 15/01/2025 21:55

It's more that you named 'Israel' and 'Hamas' rather than the 'Israeli government' and 'Hamas', seeming to imply 'the whole of Israel', but 'just Hamas'

That’s a good point, especially as the current Israeli government is made up of a coalition, which included extremist parties with their own set of demands. That’s the problem with a proportional representation style parliament, mainstream parties are unable to form a majority in many cases.

Oodiks · 15/01/2025 21:56

Parker231 · 15/01/2025 21:48

Worldwide efforts are going to be needed to rebuild the homes, businesses, schools and hospitals in Gaza so that they can try and restart their economy and lives. It can’t continue with the population being prisoners within Gaza without free movement .

Let's hope the new administration in Gaza prioritizes homes, businesses, schools, and hospitals over tunnels and bombs.

Oodiks · 15/01/2025 21:55

NoisyBear · 15/01/2025 21:49

So Israelis voted in an extremist government to represent them in your opinion? So instead of saying Israel and Hamas I should have said Israeli extremists and Hamas have behaved dreadfully over the years?

Usually I would say the US have supplied arms to Israel for example, I don't mean everyone in the entire country has personally supplied arms to Israel(or should I say Israeli extremists?? ) and people don't usually take it to mean that either, they know that it is the government that is being referred to. Or if I said the US behaved dreadfully in their 'war on terror' people don't take that to mean every single person in the US. Do you think that it important to make an exception in Israels case and say Israeli extremists rather than Israel?

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It's more that you named 'Israel' and 'Hamas' rather than the 'Israeli government' and 'Hamas', seeming to imply 'the whole of Israel', but 'just Hamas'

NoisyBear · 15/01/2025 21:49

Igotjelly · 15/01/2025 21:40

Using Zionist as a way to describe the Netanyahu govt is not “frowned upon” it’s incorrect. Zionism simply is the belief in a Jewish homeland, many zionists do not believe in the destruction of Palestine. Netanyahu and his ilk are extremists.

So Israelis voted in an extremist government to represent them in your opinion? So instead of saying Israel and Hamas I should have said Israeli extremists and Hamas have behaved dreadfully over the years?

Usually I would say the US have supplied arms to Israel for example, I don't mean everyone in the entire country has personally supplied arms to Israel(or should I say Israeli extremists?? ) and people don't usually take it to mean that either, they know that it is the government that is being referred to. Or if I said the US behaved dreadfully in their 'war on terror' people don't take that to mean every single person in the US. Do you think that it important to make an exception in Israels case and say Israeli extremists rather than Israel?

Parker231 · 15/01/2025 21:48

Worldwide efforts are going to be needed to rebuild the homes, businesses, schools and hospitals in Gaza so that they can try and restart their economy and lives. It can’t continue with the population being prisoners within Gaza without free movement .

Oodiks · 15/01/2025 21:43

Obeseandashamed · 15/01/2025 21:40

Whilst this is great news, I'm sceptical about how long it will last. Ramadan begins at the end of next month I think and for as long as I can remember Israel use that time to go on an offensive attack as they know there are lots of Muslims contrasting for prayers etc. I've seen it reported year on year for at least the last 10 years. I hope and pray peace prevails.

You remember that the Hamas attack coincided with the Jewish religious holiday Simchat Torah?

Simchat Torah - Wikipedia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simchat_Torah

Igotjelly · 15/01/2025 21:40

NoisyBear · 15/01/2025 21:31

There is no such country as Palestine yet, that's kind of a central part of the years long conflict. Hopefully, if like I said moderate voices become the norm Palestine will be realised.

Maybe there needs to be a word that encompasses the Israeli government and Israeli settler extremists? I know some people try and use zionist but that is frowned upon, maybe there is a word and I just don't know it?

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Using Zionist as a way to describe the Netanyahu govt is not “frowned upon” it’s incorrect. Zionism simply is the belief in a Jewish homeland, many zionists do not believe in the destruction of Palestine. Netanyahu and his ilk are extremists.

Obeseandashamed · 15/01/2025 21:40

Whilst this is great news, I'm sceptical about how long it will last. Ramadan begins at the end of next month I think and for as long as I can remember Israel use that time to go on an offensive attack as they know there are lots of Muslims contrasting for prayers etc. I've seen it reported year on year for at least the last 10 years. I hope and pray peace prevails.

Whatsinanamehey · 15/01/2025 21:34

Oodiks · 15/01/2025 21:25

Interested that it's all of Israel has behaved badly, but not all of Palestine, only Hamas.

It's not blaming the whole of Israel.

NoisyBear · 15/01/2025 21:31

Oodiks · 15/01/2025 21:25

Interested that it's all of Israel has behaved badly, but not all of Palestine, only Hamas.

There is no such country as Palestine yet, that's kind of a central part of the years long conflict. Hopefully, if like I said moderate voices become the norm Palestine will be realised.

Maybe there needs to be a word that encompasses the Israeli government and Israeli settler extremists? I know some people try and use zionist but that is frowned upon, maybe there is a word and I just don't know it?

Oodiks · 15/01/2025 21:25

NoisyBear · 15/01/2025 21:08

And Israel were killing Palestinians long before Oct 7 2023, both Hamas and Israel have behaved dreadfully over the years. We can only hope that moderate voices become the strongest on both sides and a path to long term peace is chosen by all.

Interested that it's all of Israel has behaved badly, but not all of Palestine, only Hamas.

NoisyBear · 15/01/2025 21:08

Oodiks · 15/01/2025 21:02

The fact that Israel has excellent defenses against Hamas's shoddy rockets does not negate the fact that Hamas (&c) have been firing rockets into Israel since long before October 7, 2023.

And Israel were killing Palestinians long before Oct 7 2023, both Hamas and Israel have behaved dreadfully over the years. We can only hope that moderate voices become the strongest on both sides and a path to long term peace is chosen by all.

whatwouldyoudoifisangoutofkey · 15/01/2025 21:08

I've heard that it's a common thing for attacks to increase in the days before a cease fire.

LetThereBeLove · 15/01/2025 21:06

Oodiks · 15/01/2025 20:02

The ceasefire begins on Saturday. Have Hamas stopped firing rockets into Israel yet?

Sunday. And yes, rockets have been reported over southern Israel.