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LetThereBeLove · 19/01/2025 11:34

mids2019 · 19/01/2025 08:47

I am worried about Hamas seems to claiming this a victory?.in the history of warfare has there ever been a victory in which your army is devastated and you cities f flattened.

are Hamas going to claim the ceasefire is a signal that 'resistamce' should continue and because Hamas have not been destroyed there is a legitimacy for further potential attacks on Israel?

Yes, you are correct.

TonysPony · 19/01/2025 11:30

ssd · 19/01/2025 11:26

I think as soon as the hostages are back home, Israel will find an excuse to go back to bombing the shit out of Gaza.

Because they can.

I wondered this. If the aim is to get the hostages back and then use the slightest provocation - imagine a teen Palestine throwing stones as remaining IDF soldiers, for example - to immediately escalate a situation to a violent level and then use that an excuse. It wouldn’t be hard to find something, surely, or to provoke for an excuse - or just to lie, of course.

Or does breaking a ceasefire only mean bombs ? Rather than any skirmishes with IDF who remain.

ssd · 19/01/2025 11:26

I think as soon as the hostages are back home, Israel will find an excuse to go back to bombing the shit out of Gaza.

Because they can.

Igotjelly · 19/01/2025 11:11

TonysPony · 19/01/2025 11:08

A sad thing is, that even after the hostage release was agreed yesterday, Israel kept bombing, right up to the final minute. As well as continuing to kill civilians and destroy homes, surely there was always a risk that more surviving hostages would be killed - particularly if they were being moved around in Gaza ready for release?

I absolutely agree with the sentiment however unfortunately it’s really common for wars to ramp up ahead of a ceasefire.

Auvergne63 · 19/01/2025 11:09

GentleScroller · 19/01/2025 10:44

Can you please hold back on the false accusations levelled at Israel. Hamas caused the delay. Your blatant prejudice of Israel is astonishing and completely unwarranted on this traumatic day for both Israeli and Palestinian civilians. I don't appreciate your hateful rhetoric.

I don't appreciate your personal attacks and your false accusations.
I have apologised for having made a mistake (born from previous experiences).
The matter is closed.

TonysPony · 19/01/2025 11:08

A sad thing is, that even after the hostage release was agreed yesterday, Israel kept bombing, right up to the final minute. As well as continuing to kill civilians and destroy homes, surely there was always a risk that more surviving hostages would be killed - particularly if they were being moved around in Gaza ready for release?

SharonEllis · 19/01/2025 10:58

Auvergne63 · 19/01/2025 10:39

Please don't twist my words and make assumptions.
Over the last 15 months, the Israeli government have repeatedly lied ( too many examples to cite), and after Ben-Gvir admitted having foiled, on numerous occasions, any deals, I can't help being cynical.
https://www.timesofisrael.com/ben-gvir-says-he-repeatedly-foiled-hostage-deals-urges-smotrich-to-help-him-stop-this-one/
By the way, the only thing I trust Hamas on is their reporting on the number of deaths of women and children in Gaza.

Give over, I didnt twist anything. I posted something entirely accurate and widely reported. You tried to cast aspersions on the truthfulness of my post simply because the source was an Israeli government statement. Not gossip from an unnamed source, an official statement. If Hamas is a more accurate source for you, own it but dont pretend you didnt admit to preferring Hamas as a source over Israel.

Pennina · 19/01/2025 10:46

I'm hearing 3 women to be released today, after 4pm one of whom is British-Israel Emily Danari. She was shot in the hand and sustained shrapnel wounds to her leg.

Praying for ongoing peace throughout Gaza/Israel.

GentleScroller · 19/01/2025 10:44

Auvergne63 · 19/01/2025 09:36

I stand corrected. My mistake.

Can you please hold back on the false accusations levelled at Israel. Hamas caused the delay. Your blatant prejudice of Israel is astonishing and completely unwarranted on this traumatic day for both Israeli and Palestinian civilians. I don't appreciate your hateful rhetoric.

Auvergne63 · 19/01/2025 10:39

SharonEllis · 19/01/2025 09:48

So, just so we're all clear. When the israeli government makes an official statement, reported by all reputable news sources and with the eyes of its allies on them - you don't believe them. When someone on mumsnet points out that Hamas itself was saying it had problems issuing the list - you believe Hamas. Ok!

While of course the actual issue is Hamas's incompetence and/or malevolence has delayed the ceasefire causing yet more agony for innocent people in both sides.

Please don't twist my words and make assumptions.
Over the last 15 months, the Israeli government have repeatedly lied ( too many examples to cite), and after Ben-Gvir admitted having foiled, on numerous occasions, any deals, I can't help being cynical.
https://www.timesofisrael.com/ben-gvir-says-he-repeatedly-foiled-hostage-deals-urges-smotrich-to-help-him-stop-this-one/
By the way, the only thing I trust Hamas on is their reporting on the number of deaths of women and children in Gaza.

Efacsen · 19/01/2025 10:32

Igotjelly · 19/01/2025 09:33

To be fair Hamas admitted it was a ‘technical issue’ at their end. It’s assumed due to the fact they have to use old school communication methods after stopping using mobile phones and pagers (for obvious reasons!)

As I understand it Hamas didn't really use mobiles/pagers because of the intense surveillance but had a separate landline system within their tunnels which must now be compromised/destroyed

Efacsen · 19/01/2025 10:05

''The Israeli prime minister’s office says the release of three hostages held by Hamas in Gaza would take place after 1400 GMT (1600 local time) on Sunday, adding that four other living female hostages would be freed in seven days''.

NB The photo below of is of some of the the thousands of Gazans on the move trying to return to their homes - 3 were killed earlier this morning trying to return to Rafah which the IDF have vacated - prior to the ceasefire being confirmed

Gaza ceasefire between Israel and Hamas comes into force following delay over release of hostage list – live

Hamas says it will free Romi Gonen, Emily Damari and Doron Steinbrecher after Israel delayed start of ceasefire until named released

https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2025/jan/19/israel-gaza-ceasefire-live-news-updates?page=with:block-678cb7ae8f080f46037de7e5#block-678cb7ae8f080f46037de7e5

TonysPony · 19/01/2025 09:55

SharonEllis · 19/01/2025 09:48

So, just so we're all clear. When the israeli government makes an official statement, reported by all reputable news sources and with the eyes of its allies on them - you don't believe them. When someone on mumsnet points out that Hamas itself was saying it had problems issuing the list - you believe Hamas. Ok!

While of course the actual issue is Hamas's incompetence and/or malevolence has delayed the ceasefire causing yet more agony for innocent people in both sides.

I did think that they sound very incompetent. This is a big deal, it’s kind of situation where communication is pretty key - you’d expect it to be well managed, old school communication or not..

Then again, the IDF managed to accidentally shoot hostages who were waving white flags, so they aren’t looking like the most well managed bunch either.

SharonEllis · 19/01/2025 09:48

Auvergne63 · 19/01/2025 09:36

I stand corrected. My mistake.

So, just so we're all clear. When the israeli government makes an official statement, reported by all reputable news sources and with the eyes of its allies on them - you don't believe them. When someone on mumsnet points out that Hamas itself was saying it had problems issuing the list - you believe Hamas. Ok!

While of course the actual issue is Hamas's incompetence and/or malevolence has delayed the ceasefire causing yet more agony for innocent people in both sides.

Auvergne63 · 19/01/2025 09:36

Igotjelly · 19/01/2025 09:33

To be fair Hamas admitted it was a ‘technical issue’ at their end. It’s assumed due to the fact they have to use old school communication methods after stopping using mobile phones and pagers (for obvious reasons!)

I stand corrected. My mistake.

Auvergne63 · 19/01/2025 09:34

Igotjelly · 19/01/2025 08:14

Ben-Gvir has resigned. Hope the door doesn’t hit him on the way out!

Great news.

Igotjelly · 19/01/2025 09:33

Auvergne63 · 19/01/2025 09:32

You forgot to add, according to the Israeli government.

To be fair Hamas admitted it was a ‘technical issue’ at their end. It’s assumed due to the fact they have to use old school communication methods after stopping using mobile phones and pagers (for obvious reasons!)

Auvergne63 · 19/01/2025 09:32

SharonEllis · 19/01/2025 07:09

And Hamas can't even fulfill their first obligation, to provide a list. A bloody list.

You forgot to add, according to the Israeli government.

Igotjelly · 19/01/2025 09:26

Ceasefire now in effect 🎉🎉🎉

mollyfolk · 19/01/2025 09:20

mids2019 · 19/01/2025 08:47

I am worried about Hamas seems to claiming this a victory?.in the history of warfare has there ever been a victory in which your army is devastated and you cities f flattened.

are Hamas going to claim the ceasefire is a signal that 'resistamce' should continue and because Hamas have not been destroyed there is a legitimacy for further potential attacks on Israel?

@mids2019

are Hamas going to claim the ceasefire is a signal that 'resistamce' should continue and because Hamas have not been destroyed there is a legitimacy for further potential attacks on Israel?

Hamas were never going to be destroyed in this way. The Israeli government has been at best misleading. Hamas have recruited as many fighters as have died. And yes according to the experts they'll use the war to bolster support and come back stronger than ever unless there is something else to fill the void.

Efacsen · 19/01/2025 09:09

Efacsen · 19/01/2025 08:43

Names of the 3 hostages

1- Romi Gonen (24)
2- Emily Damari (28)
3- Doron Shtanbar Khair (31)

Doron Shtanbar Khair mis-named by Hamas

She's actually called Doron Steinbrecher,

Whatsinanamehey · 19/01/2025 08:50

Igotjelly · 19/01/2025 08:14

Ben-Gvir has resigned. Hope the door doesn’t hit him on the way out!

Ahh, some good news at last!

mids2019 · 19/01/2025 08:47

I am worried about Hamas seems to claiming this a victory?.in the history of warfare has there ever been a victory in which your army is devastated and you cities f flattened.

are Hamas going to claim the ceasefire is a signal that 'resistamce' should continue and because Hamas have not been destroyed there is a legitimacy for further potential attacks on Israel?

Efacsen · 19/01/2025 08:43

Names of the 3 hostages

1- Romi Gonen (24)
2- Emily Damari (28)
3- Doron Shtanbar Khair (31)