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Whatsinanamehey · 31/01/2025 23:47

gloriagloria · 31/01/2025 23:43

It's quite unclear. The New York Times says "the list matches Israeli intelligence" which suggests that names have been provided.

I did read that too but as you say, not clear.

Oodiks · 31/01/2025 23:43

Whatsinanamehey · 31/01/2025 23:42

@10UsernamesNotAvailableTryAnotherOne I very much have the same concerns as you. For those not familiar with how Palestinian detainees are kept in Israeli prisons better known as torture cells, should read this.

https://www.btselem.org/press_releases/20240805_welcome_to_hell

B’Tselem Executive Director Yuli Novak: “The Sde Teiman detention camp is just the tip of the iceberg. As we speak, thousands of Palestinians are being held in inhuman conditions and subjected to relentless abuse. Some do not know why they were arrested; many will be released without trial. This is the definition of a torture camp: a place that once you enter – no matter who you are or why you were arrested – you will be subjected to severe, deliberate, relentless pain and suffering.”

Well, they would say that wouldn't they.

gloriagloria · 31/01/2025 23:43

Whatsinanamehey · 31/01/2025 23:37

They only gave a number, not the names if I'm correct.

It's quite unclear. The New York Times says "the list matches Israeli intelligence" which suggests that names have been provided.

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10UsernamesNotAvailableTryAnotherOne · 31/01/2025 23:43

Oodiks · 31/01/2025 23:32

When the police in Britain arrest violent criminals, do you refer to them as having been 'abducted'?

Interesting how you compare the abduction/kidnap of medical staff (who committed no crime) and other innocent civilians by the IDF, to violent criminals being arrested in Britain. 🤔 The fact that you will do this proves the type of person I am dealing with. I'm not going to engage with you any further.

Oodiks · 31/01/2025 23:43

10UsernamesNotAvailableTryAnotherOne · 31/01/2025 23:38

Mumsnet doesn't have subthreads. The release of the bodies during an exchange is relevant to the topic of the thread we are on and the comment I replied to. If you want entire comment section to be devoted to the Israeli hostages, there's already a thread devoted to that.

You were responding to a response about the Bibas babies. You didn't have to do that; you could have just posted to the thread generally.

Why did you post to a response about the Bibas babies?

Whatsinanamehey · 31/01/2025 23:42

10UsernamesNotAvailableTryAnotherOne · 31/01/2025 23:30

I'm desperate for answers. A lot of other people are. He and all those who were abducted by the IDF must be released, too. I hope they're ok! Knowing what goes on in Israeli prisons, I am very worried for them. 😢 Autopsies on those who died in Israeli custody must be performed and thorough investigations have to be made.

@10UsernamesNotAvailableTryAnotherOne I very much have the same concerns as you. For those not familiar with how Palestinian detainees are kept in Israeli prisons better known as torture cells, should read this.

https://www.btselem.org/press_releases/20240805_welcome_to_hell

B’Tselem Executive Director Yuli Novak: “The Sde Teiman detention camp is just the tip of the iceberg. As we speak, thousands of Palestinians are being held in inhuman conditions and subjected to relentless abuse. Some do not know why they were arrested; many will be released without trial. This is the definition of a torture camp: a place that once you enter – no matter who you are or why you were arrested – you will be subjected to severe, deliberate, relentless pain and suffering.”

10UsernamesNotAvailableTryAnotherOne · 31/01/2025 23:38

Oodiks · 31/01/2025 23:25

That's literally why I referred to the sub thread that was about the Bibas babies, tiny children literally kidnapped and held hostage by savages.

Mumsnet doesn't have subthreads. The release of the bodies during an exchange is relevant to the topic of the thread we are on and the comment I replied to. If you want entire comment section to be devoted to the Israeli hostages, there's already a thread devoted to that.

Whatsinanamehey · 31/01/2025 23:37

gloriagloria · 31/01/2025 23:34

I understood that the Israeli Government now know which eight hostages were no longer alive after the list was provided by Hamas four days ago?

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They only gave a number, not the names if I'm correct.

gloriagloria · 31/01/2025 23:34

I understood that the Israeli Government now know which eight hostages were no longer alive after the list was provided by Hamas four days ago?

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Oodiks · 31/01/2025 23:32

10UsernamesNotAvailableTryAnotherOne · 31/01/2025 23:30

I'm desperate for answers. A lot of other people are. He and all those who were abducted by the IDF must be released, too. I hope they're ok! Knowing what goes on in Israeli prisons, I am very worried for them. 😢 Autopsies on those who died in Israeli custody must be performed and thorough investigations have to be made.

When the police in Britain arrest violent criminals, do you refer to them as having been 'abducted'?

Whatsinanamehey · 31/01/2025 23:32

10UsernamesNotAvailableTryAnotherOne · 31/01/2025 23:30

I'm desperate for answers. A lot of other people are. He and all those who were abducted by the IDF must be released, too. I hope they're ok! Knowing what goes on in Israeli prisons, I am very worried for them. 😢 Autopsies on those who died in Israeli custody must be performed and thorough investigations have to be made.

The last I heard was Dr Hussam was transferred to the notorious Sde Teiman prison. The same one where Dr Adnan was tortured to death. No further updates since then.

Oodiks · 31/01/2025 23:31

10UsernamesNotAvailableTryAnotherOne · 31/01/2025 23:30

I'm desperate for answers. A lot of other people are. He and all those who were abducted by the IDF must be released, too. I hope they're ok! Knowing what goes on in Israeli prisons, I am very worried for them. 😢 Autopsies on those who died in Israeli custody must be performed and thorough investigations have to be made.

But why start a conversation about them in response to comments about the Bibas babies?

10UsernamesNotAvailableTryAnotherOne · 31/01/2025 23:30

Whatsinanamehey · 31/01/2025 23:05

Me too.

And Dr Hussam, where is he? Why is he still being held without charge? What's happened to all the other medical staff that were taken from Gaza?

I'm desperate for answers. A lot of other people are. He and all those who were abducted by the IDF must be released, too. I hope they're ok! Knowing what goes on in Israeli prisons, I am very worried for them. 😢 Autopsies on those who died in Israeli custody must be performed and thorough investigations have to be made.

Oodiks · 31/01/2025 23:25

10UsernamesNotAvailableTryAnotherOne · 31/01/2025 23:20

This is not a thread about the Bibas babies, it's a thread about the ceasefire. Read the title, it's literally called "A ceasefire deal has been agreed". If the bodies of the hostages who died in Gaza are to be released, so should the bodies of the Palestinians who were tortured to death in Israeli prisons.

That's literally why I referred to the sub thread that was about the Bibas babies, tiny children literally kidnapped and held hostage by savages.

10UsernamesNotAvailableTryAnotherOne · 31/01/2025 23:20

Oodiks · 31/01/2025 23:09

This seems an odd response to sub thread about the Bibas babies and the awful possibility that they may already be dead; that all their families will get back are their tiny bodies.

This is not a thread about the Bibas babies, it's a thread about the ceasefire. Read the title, it's literally called "A ceasefire deal has been agreed". If the bodies of the hostages who died in Gaza are to be released, so should the bodies of the Palestinians who were tortured to death in Israeli prisons.

Oodiks · 31/01/2025 23:10

Whatsinanamehey · 31/01/2025 23:05

Me too.

And Dr Hussam, where is he? Why is he still being held without charge? What's happened to all the other medical staff that were taken from Gaza?

Again, this seems an odd response to sub thread about the Bibas babies and the awful possibility that they may already be dead; that all their families will get back are their tiny bodies.

Oodiks · 31/01/2025 23:09

10UsernamesNotAvailableTryAnotherOne · 31/01/2025 22:55

I hope the bodies of those killed in Israeli prisons are released, too. I particularly want to know what happened to Dr Adnan Al-Bursh.

This seems an odd response to sub thread about the Bibas babies and the awful possibility that they may already be dead; that all their families will get back are their tiny bodies.

Whatsinanamehey · 31/01/2025 23:05

10UsernamesNotAvailableTryAnotherOne · 31/01/2025 22:55

I hope the bodies of those killed in Israeli prisons are released, too. I particularly want to know what happened to Dr Adnan Al-Bursh.

Me too.

And Dr Hussam, where is he? Why is he still being held without charge? What's happened to all the other medical staff that were taken from Gaza?

10UsernamesNotAvailableTryAnotherOne · 31/01/2025 22:55

Whatsinanamehey · 31/01/2025 16:02

They also weren't released during the first ceasefire when all the other hostage children were released. They said they were killed very early on in the war. I just hope that at the end of the first phase, when the bodies of the deceased are handed back, that it is done in a dignified manner.

I hope the bodies of those killed in Israeli prisons are released, too. I particularly want to know what happened to Dr Adnan Al-Bursh.

Hungrycaterpillarsmummy · 31/01/2025 21:05

I'm honestly going out of my mind hoping shiri and her babies are alive. It's absolutely awful. Even to not confirm their status. Just wtf

OpheliaWasntMad · 31/01/2025 17:40

The terrible cruelty of it all

OpheliaWasntMad · 31/01/2025 17:39

Countrylife2002 · 31/01/2025 15:23

Yarden Bibas will be released tomorrow but not his wife and children, which perhaps ends hopes that they are alive.

💔

Hungrycaterpillarsmummy · 31/01/2025 16:56

Igotjelly · 31/01/2025 15:49

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/jan/31/hamas-to-release-israeli-hostage-yarden-bibas-wife-children-family Seems Hamas had said previously that they died at the start of the war in an Israeli attack.

No, we knew about the dad. The nun and babies no one knows what happened to them

Offthepath · 31/01/2025 16:12

Is nobody talking about how the rapist & murderer of Ori Ansbacher is released in this deal? Heartbreaking

Whatsinanamehey · 31/01/2025 16:02

They also weren't released during the first ceasefire when all the other hostage children were released. They said they were killed very early on in the war. I just hope that at the end of the first phase, when the bodies of the deceased are handed back, that it is done in a dignified manner.