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Oodiks · 2025-01-09T22:09:33+00:00

So, I met a really nice woman last week who helped me move house. She was terrific, drove a red pick-up truck and was brilliant helping me lug a load of stuff from my old house to my new house. We got along really well and shared lots of stories about ourselves while we worked. I suggested we meet for a coffee/tea as she works near me. What's this got to do with the conflict in the ME I hear you ask... She emailed me to suggest that we could meet for tea/coffee, or I could come to her house for a friendly social gathering of her 'Justice for Palestine' group and I don't know how to reply. It wasn't a topic we had discussed, but I am strongly pro-Israel (not Netanyahu in case you were wondering) and would find a 'Justice for Palestine' group quite challenging. WWYD?

Arayofcalm · 10/01/2025 12:05

Comedycook · 10/01/2025 11:29

Oh you don't have to look specifically for it. Even a post I saw on fb about bagels and Jewish food was filled with pro Palestinian irrelevant comments and anti semetic filth.

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That's not ok, neither is pro-zionists online, who consider themselves to be moderate post videos about how Israel should do whatever it takes, even if it means levelling the whole of Gaza/withholding aid etc. This level of hateful discourse from supposed 'moderate' voices is rather disturbing.

SharonEllis · 10/01/2025 12:05

Comedycook · 10/01/2025 11:29

Oh you don't have to look specifically for it. Even a post I saw on fb about bagels and Jewish food was filled with pro Palestinian irrelevant comments and anti semetic filth.

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Yes, you can't avoid this sort of thing as antisemitic people pile onto even the most innocuous post about anything to do with Jewish life. Clearly holding Jewish people here collectively responsible for things they don't agree with relating to Israel.

Comedycook · 10/01/2025 11:29

Arayofcalm · 10/01/2025 10:44

In your experience, depending on who you follow/search for. I have seen the extreme and middle ground for both.

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Oh you don't have to look specifically for it. Even a post I saw on fb about bagels and Jewish food was filled with pro Palestinian irrelevant comments and anti semetic filth.

Smokesandeats · 10/01/2025 10:55

‘I’d really like to meet up for a coffee. Unfortunately, the group doesn’t sound like something I’d be interested in but thank you for inviting me’ (don’t mention being a Zionist or she may block you immediately!)

stbeaker · 10/01/2025 10:51

SharonEllis · 10/01/2025 10:50

So do I. You can decide who to follow on social media and avoid people who are prejudiced. The op is trying to anticipate and avoid conflict in reality.

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100%.

I choose to follow people who are pro women, pro children, etc. I follow thoroughly decent people and accounts.

SharonEllis · 10/01/2025 10:50

stbeaker · 10/01/2025 10:45

Disagree.

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So do I. You can decide who to follow on social media and avoid people who are prejudiced. The op is trying to anticipate and avoid conflict in reality.

EasterIssland · 10/01/2025 10:49

LinnettdeBelleforte · 10/01/2025 10:06

The difference is that people who are pro Palestine are very quick to paint the other 'side' as evil and monstrous, they tend to refuse to ascribe any blame to Hamas, and they behave as if October '23 didn't happen or wasn't the reason for the current war. I am not saying that I agree with everything that Israel is doing, but the fact is that war was inevitable as soon as the October 7th massacre happened. I agree that it is a very fraught issue.

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i think this is two sides. Many pro Israel are quick to paint as well the other side as evil and Pro Palestinians have been called antisemitic and terrorist supporters as well

stbeaker · 10/01/2025 10:45

Dulra · 10/01/2025 10:44

If you base your world view on social media posts "most" people are homophobic, racist, antisemitic, misogynistic, islamophobic, xenophobic and so on

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Disagree.

Dulra · 10/01/2025 10:44

Comedycook · 10/01/2025 10:37

Well a quick look at most social media platforms would suggest the opposite

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If you base your world view on social media posts "most" people are homophobic, racist, antisemitic, misogynistic, islamophobic, xenophobic and so on

Arayofcalm · 10/01/2025 10:44

Comedycook · 10/01/2025 10:37

Well a quick look at most social media platforms would suggest the opposite

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In your experience, depending on who you follow/search for. I have seen the extreme and middle ground for both.

Dulra · 10/01/2025 10:39

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Comedycook · 10/01/2025 10:39

But anyway....I'm sure world leaders are waiting with baited breath for this coffee morning to take place

stbeaker · 10/01/2025 10:38

Comedycook · 10/01/2025 10:37

Well a quick look at most social media platforms would suggest the opposite

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Absolutely

Comedycook · 10/01/2025 10:37

Arayofcalm · 10/01/2025 10:34

The irony of some posters saying it's the Pro-Palestinians who are very judgemental. If this thread is anything to go by, then the opposite has more truth in it.

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Well a quick look at most social media platforms would suggest the opposite

Arayofcalm · 10/01/2025 10:37

stbeaker · 10/01/2025 10:36

Oh I am judgemental - I make no bones about it.

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Yes, I can tell.

Namechangedforgoodreasons · 10/01/2025 10:36

"Thanks but I don't think that’s a good idea as unfortunately that seems to be a topic on which we are unlikely to agree. But I’d still love to meet up for coffee. How about (date/time/place)?"

stbeaker · 10/01/2025 10:36

Arayofcalm · 10/01/2025 10:34

The irony of some posters saying it's the Pro-Palestinians who are very judgemental. If this thread is anything to go by, then the opposite has more truth in it.

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Oh I am judgemental - I make no bones about it.

Arayofcalm · 10/01/2025 10:34

stbeaker · 10/01/2025 10:31

I base what I state on evidence around me.

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The irony of some posters saying it's the Pro-Palestinians who are very judgemental. If this thread is anything to go by, then the opposite has more truth in it.

stbeaker · 10/01/2025 10:31

Dulra · 10/01/2025 10:28

@stbeaker
Well then there is little point interacting with you if you just assume everyone that supports Palestine is a terrorist supporter and doesn't want Israel to exist.

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I base what I state on evidence around me.

SharonEllis · 10/01/2025 10:30

Dulra · 10/01/2025 10:26

Well maybe she should not have said most because that suggests the majority which is simply not true and just a tactic to discredit people that support Palestine, as is claiming they are all terrorist supporters.

As someone who is supportive of a two state solution and a Palestine state I refuse to be smeared in this generalised way. Just as I am sure you would not like to be associated with the dehumanising genocidal language from some of the Israeli government ministers

She's not 'smearing' people here, though there are a lot of discussions on this board, about Israel being an illegitimate colonial settler state and other variations.
She is smearing people by not being specific about the people she is talking about which you also do .

To those people, if the cap fits.
So name and question those people it is not that hard

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No, Im not going to name people on other threads, that would be against the rules and completely counterproductive and not helpful to OP. What a completely bizarre thing to suggest. Its perfectly ok for people to post from their perspective and very tiresome to make a big deal of it to try and undermine them.

Dulra · 10/01/2025 10:28

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Dulra · 10/01/2025 10:28

LinnettdeBelleforte · 10/01/2025 10:23

In my experience, it IS most!

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@stbeaker
Well then there is little point interacting with you if you just assume everyone that supports Palestine is a terrorist supporter and doesn't want Israel to exist.

Arayofcalm · 10/01/2025 10:27

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Dulra · 10/01/2025 10:26

SharonEllis · 10/01/2025 10:17

So maybe (almost certainly) you mix with different people to that poster. People will have a different experience to you. It is a fact though, that Justice for Palestine marches and demos pretty much always do include calls for the obliteration of Israel and there is not much evidence that the nice people who are sympathetic to Israel on those marches do anything about it. Contrast demos for the hostages which always in my experience call for peace for all civilians and freedom for the palestinians from hamas & terrorism. She's not 'smearing' people here, though there are a lot of discussions on this board, about Israel being an illegitimate colonial settler state and other variations. To those people, if the cap fits.

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Well maybe she should not have said most because that suggests the majority which is simply not true and just a tactic to discredit people that support Palestine, as is claiming they are all terrorist supporters.

As someone who is supportive of a two state solution and a Palestine state I refuse to be smeared in this generalised way. Just as I am sure you would not like to be associated with the dehumanising genocidal language from some of the Israeli government ministers

She's not 'smearing' people here, though there are a lot of discussions on this board, about Israel being an illegitimate colonial settler state and other variations.
She is smearing people by not being specific about the people she is talking about which you also do .

To those people, if the cap fits.
So name and question those people it is not that hard

stbeaker · 10/01/2025 10:26

LinnettdeBelleforte · 10/01/2025 10:23

In my experience, it IS most!

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And in mine as well!