Last functioning hospital in Northern Gaza is stormed by the IDF

It doesn't matter whether any of us are horrified. All that matters is being able to use your faculties to come to your own balanced judgement of what it right. It's easy to be horrified, but it doesn't answer the question of what happens if terrorists and weapons are hidden inside the hospital and they are responsible for killing civilians. These are actual questions the Israelis have to confront. They are not theoretical questions.

Obviously you are saying that all this is a pretext, there are no terrorists in the hospitals and it is all cynically fabricated to enable the Israelis to destroy everything. I think that is less plausible than that they genuinely believe the hospitals constitute a threat. We can disagree on this point of course.

@stomachamelon I really don't think you have thought through what you posted. Fairness would be every death of a journalist treated the same way. All of the things that you list don't happen for the majority of journalists that have been killed. There haven't been 150 UN security council meetings about each and every journalist Israel have killed. There hasn't been statements from the EU every time Isreal kills a journalist. Yet you are saying that order for it to be fair every time the PA security forces kills a journalist there should be UN meetings and EU statements?

Unfortunately, there has been so much killing that each and every death doesn't get the condemnation it deserves. Obviously, her death is a tragedy as is the death of every journalist who has been killed in this conflict but your post doesn't show what you think it does. How much news coverage do you think these poor people get in our mainstream news. About the same as this poor woman. The last journalists in the news I remember is just before Christmas when Israel killed 5 jounrlaists in one go, I don't think they even got their sex nevermind names in the short article I read. I have often seen on instagram that a journlist has been killed in Gaza and there isn't a bbc news story about it, there is nothing. You aren't looking for this killing to be treated the same at all, if this killing was treated the same way as the 150 other journalists killed in this conflict you probably wouldn't even know that she was dead.

@BadgerInDungarees think my point is quite self explanatory. I didn't realise her death isn't noteworthy when it's shifted 82 miles.

Early days in the assault on Gaza they made up "evidence" with regard to their attacks on hospitals. The actress pretending to be a nurse, the AI video of the underground complex at Shifa and the calendar blunder are memorable examples.

Since then I haven't seen any actual evidence, though mercifully they have stopped the invented "evidence" (which by the way should be extremely alarming to anyone in their right mind - what normal country/military would do this?)

So I have to conclude they just want to destroy all the hospitals.

Thanks for sharing this information about a young woman being murdered in this horrific way. Kind of confused by the narrative that follows. From reading more on it she was a student of journalism and not actively working as a journalist in a conflict zone so I'm not sure why there'd be an expectation for the UN, EU, BBC, and so on to respond to it?

Have the EU and the UN released statements for each and everyone of the 150 journalists killed by Israel? Has there been UN security council meetings for each and everyone of the 150 journalists killed by Israel? If there has you might have a point, if there hasn't been what is your point?

For God's sake. There are no hospitals operating in Northern Gaza. There's nothing there now. This scraping of the barrel to come up with ways to excuse what Israel has done is deplorable.

So would you say that going into the hospital and trying to root out the terrorists/weapons would be acceptable, but not damaging the hospital building itself? Or that the terrorists and guns should just be left there, because the risks of operating in that environment at all are too high?

Regarding your second comment, the IDF would say that they have provided some evidence (although of course the quality/legitimacy of it is contested). It's possible that they operate on their own intelligence and don't prioritise evidence-gathering as highly as we might like.

For information.....

Ah - apologies.
It is sometimes a bit combative on here and I jumped to conclusions .
The first casualty of war is always truth. Hard to know what is true at times.

No, it suggests that the information vacuum caused by Israel not allowing international media into Gaza and killing members of the local media is causing confusion for people in establishing what is true and what is not.

That post ( explaining that the information available is sometimes conflicting) suggests to you that I , unlike you , have been influenced by Israeli media manipulation

I'm not sure why you find the comment strange. I'm referring to your post above.

What evidence could they provide that would make you think the attack was justified? What reason is there not to at least believe that they believe there are weapons there? Israel has spent many years supporting the construction of infrastructure in Gaza. Why did they do that if all along they wanted to destroy it? Were they just playing a really long game?

If you have a predetermined view that Israel has a nefarious purpose and that belief cannot be falsified, it suggests that your beliefs are not founded on reason, but prejudice.

Strange final comment.
Which of my posts suggests that to you @Lalaloveya ? I get all my news from Channel 4 / BBC and Times newspaper. I don’t look at any Israeli or Palestinian online news sources.

Well this is why Israel has banned the international media and why they're killing the local media.

It's much easier to get away with it this way. And it's clearly working, judging from your last few posts at least.

True
It’s just very difficult to prove a negative ( eg no one has proved there are no Hamas operatives in hospitals) so this makes it tricky.
I think the fact that the Israelis haven’t provided convincing evidence by this stage is surprising if Hamas really were using the hospitals as a base.

But I also think Hamas operatives do not wear uniform and live and work amongst the general population so I can understand how difficult it is. They are not like an ordinary army.

Either way - I’m don’t think what is happening in Gaza is logistically successful or morally justifiable.

Oh I think they knew... In fact I am not sure whether to laugh or to be offended that they keep on trotting out such easily debunked lies they must presume that the general public is so easily misled/stupid.

UK doctor who worked at Shifa confirms Gaza hospital used for non medical purposes.

www.timesofisrael.com/uk-doctor-who-worked-at-shifa-confirms-gaza-hospital-used-for-non-medical-purposes/